Need training advice (equipment and such)

[Paragon]

Well, I am a beginner. Getting into shape and building strength. Slowly.

I have no one to train with. I have little idea how to train at home without someone to hold the target for me. Anyone have ideas for me?

I am wondering if it is too soon to get a heavy bag or one of those BOB things. I don't want to hurt myself by going overboard, of course, but I want something to hit.

My other problem is I have no room in my house for a bag. I would have to rig up something outside. I don't even have a carport. Anyone have their stuff outside? What has to be done to protect a bag from the weather? I live in the Orlando, FL area. I could get myself an awning type shelter for the back yard if I needed to.

[KravDAJ]

I don't think it would ever be too soon to get a heavy bag, not only will it help you with your technique, but it is a great workout.

Checkout a free standing heavy bag.
Something like this.
http://www.onlinesports.com/pages/I,EL-EV2222.html?cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Products-_-PPC-_-EL-EV2222


Be sure to wrap your hands, and get some quality bag gloves.

[Paragon]

I have 16 oz boxing gloves and grappling gloves, both Krav Maga brand. Do I need different gloves?

[KravDAJ]

[quote:f5c7f07e42=\"Paragon\"]I have 16 oz boxing gloves and grappling gloves, both Krav Maga brand. Do I need different gloves?[/quote:f5c7f07e42]

I would not think so, but I would only use the 16oz gloves. Also get you some hand wraps. Wrap your hands/wrists good before putting on your gloves. You want to protect your hands as much as possible.

You can get them at your local sporting goods store, but here is an example
http://store.titleboxing.com/hw.html

How to wrap your hands.
http://www.boxinggyms.com/tips/handwraps.htm

[Giant Killer]

Orlando is not so bad for an outside bag. At least no snow, but maybe a hurricane? :( The BOB bag is useful for working on hitting specific targets, such as the eyes, chin etc. You can also take the top off, put it on the ground and hit it there. You fill the base with water, so it's not too heavy and will bounce around, but that should be okay outside. Much worse inside an upper level apartment building...

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[BradM]

We've been getting a lot of rain lately in Orlando. Not good for a bag outside, me thinks. (Unless, of course, it is one of my ex wives :wink: )

[vwr32]

indoor/outdoor bags are available if you're intent on a traditional heavy bag:
http://www.boxingdepot.com/bx-hv-59.html

The heavybag would be ideal if you had a nice shady tree to hang it from, but I'd probably go with a freestanding one like GK or KravDAJ suggested if it were my yard and there was no large tree.

As for the gloves, go with what you are comfortable with. On a heavy bag you might like the added protection of the 16 oz gloves, where as with a freestanding bag the grappling gloves might suffice (the freestanding ones seem softer to me). Personally, I hate my 16oz gloves because they're *too* protective. I like the solid feel I get thru my grappling gloves. 10-12 ounce might be better, but again it's just my preference.

[leejam99]

try the Bas Rutten workout. All you need is little bit of space and a CD player.

www.basrutten.tv

Also the best way to start out is to shadow box in front of a mirror and pretend that your reflection is your target. Lot of people just go out and get heavy bag and start punching without learning how to punch and kick. only thing you'll get out of that is a cardio workout. You can also hurt your wrist if you don't know how to punch correctly since the heavy bags are ....well...heavy and hard.

My advise to you is find some space in your house, put up a mirror, pratice your punching/kicking/movement/footwork while shadow boxing. once your comfortable, use the Bas workout to kick it up a notch.

If you have a dying desire to hit something at home.... buy your self a bag but learn how to work on the bag and also def. wrap your wrist. one bad hook punch and you won't be punching anything for a while.

Hope that helps.

James

[Paragon]

Hmmm.....I see a wavemaster or BOB in my immediate future. I think maybe the heavy bag is too much at this point. Gotta walk before I run.

I really like the BOB idea. I would like to be able to target my strikes.

I was also thinking a screened gazebo in my backyard. Like this:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp;jsessionid=5NSKCFVLEMAW5LAQBBICCOFMCAEFCI WE?id=0019821515917a&type=product&cmCat=froogle&cm_ven=data_feed&cm_cat=froogle&cm_pla=0520104&cm_ite=0019821515917a&_requestid=14926

[BradM]

I have used the free standing Wave type bag for years. I think they are great for developing technique, improving stamina and cardio. You cand get a really good work out with them, especially if you use the Bas tapes. However, they are not very good for heavy power punching and kicking. They tend to slide around too much and tip over. But, again, great for technique and workout routines. I either use hand wraps or MMA gloves with them.

[Paragon]

[quote:b84af09224=\"BradM\"]I have used the free standing Wave type bag for years. I think they are great for developing technique, improving stamina and cardio. You cand get a really good work out with them, especially if you use the Bas tapes. However, they are not very good for heavy power punching and kicking. They tend to slide around too much and tip over. But, again, great for technique and workout routines. I either use hand wraps or MMA gloves with them.[/quote:b84af09224]


Heavy power punching? I'll be lucky if the thing doesn't knock me on my butt. :oops: I'm female, you know. Not much power here (not yet).

[computex]

[quote:bb6e491349=\"KravDAJ\"][quote:bb6e491349=\"Paragon\"]I have 16 oz boxing gloves and grappling gloves, both Krav Maga brand. Do I need different gloves?[/quote:bb6e491349]

I would not think so, but I would only use the 16oz gloves. Also get you some hand wraps. Wrap your hands/wrists good before putting on your gloves. You want to protect your hands as much as possible.

You can get them at your local sporting goods store, but here is an example
http://store.titleboxing.com/hw.html

How to wrap your hands.
http://www.boxinggyms.com/tips/handwraps.htm[/quote:bb6e491349]

by the way

What is better .. Mexican Style Handwraps or Classic Weave Handwraps ?

I want to get handwraps to train with pads , then I replace it with Glove Wraps for real training ?

What do you suggest me ?

[Giant Killer]

If you are really tough, you could also kick a tree or a light pole... :) And rain will only make it grow bigger (the tree that is).

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[Paragon]

[quote:fd787df44f=\"Giant Killer\"]If you are really tough, you could also kick a tree or a light pole... :) And rain will only make it grow bigger (the tree that is).

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I do have shin guards.....!

[Giant Killer]

Perfect! A tree it is! :D

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[blindfold]

I have found that resistance bands work well with building punch and kick strength. My son takes TKD and he uses them for his kicks and punches. I tell him not to overdue it.

[Raneman]

I am relatively new myself and I am sort of in the same position. I am working on my gear and a bag at home, etc. but what has helped me TREMENDOUSLY is going to my local gym and I go in the aerobics room and shadowbox in front of the mirror using myself as the target. I also shadowbox in my mirror at home when I brush my teeth and get ready for work(basically if I am in front of a mirror I practice something). Lately I have been teaching my g/f to punch to she can at least throw punches at me to work on my inside defense(and it is fun to do together).

I would suggest shadowboxing and just practicing technique that way. It has helped me A LOT so far. Repetition has helped more than having the bag for me atm because I can focus on my movements without trying or subconsciously using power to make me go out of technique.

Pete

[DirtyHippieUte]

Perfect! A tree it is! :D

I thought it was supposed to be a big bamboo chute... That way it will grow back really fast if you break it.

[Giant Killer]

Well, how about a thirty foot oak tree or something? Try breaking that! ;)

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[Craig P]

I have this http://www.karatesupply.com/Heavy-Bag-Stand-and-Speed-Bag-Platform_p_9-1528.html in my living room. It is the perfect accompaniment to any well put togethor living room. Just dont use the speed bag attachment and place it in the corner.

Be prepared though, if your married, your spouse will probably kill you! Heavy bag, wife - Heavy bag, wife - Wife, heavy bag... And the heavy bag in the living room wins! thumbsup well atleast something good came from the divorce.

I would recommend a 6 ft MT type bag over the shorter style.

[blindfold]

No need to go so far as an Oka tree. A good 4" thick board will do. Oka doesn't like to break and it's heavy .

If you want to get really exotic try some Bubinga. It's from Africa and hard. It has a red tint so you won't notice the blood so quickly.

[vwr32]

I have this http://www.karatesupply.com/Heavy-Bag-Stand-and-Speed-Bag-Platform_p_9-1528.html in my living room.

I almost bought that, but didn't like how close the stand is to the bag when considering it for kicks. Not to mention the legs would limit movement around the bag. Looks great for punching, would love to know if u use it for kicks and how that works for u.

I ended up putting a 6' thai bag on a Cornerman... but it didn't end up in the livingroom :angry:
Here's the cornerman:
http://www.karatesupply.com/Cornerman-Punching-Bag-Stand_p_9-803.html

[Craig P]

I would much prefer the cornerman but dont have the space for it. Ya, I am limited in my movement but get enough to make it worhwile. It's fine for kicking too, but I have to be carefull, I can almost knock the whole thing over. I prefer not to put weights on the legs for my own safety, I dont wanna trip on them or the pegs.

I do some Bas workouts at home with it, but mostly train at the center.