What's happening to CKM / Moni Aizik

[rz1]

I have been following the CKM story with avid interest and lately I have heard rumour (on this very forum) that there is a class action lawsuit being brought up against Moni and because of this, he apparently now lives in Venezuela.

Now this is all rumour as far as I can tell. I havent seen any further news and the CKM website appears to be doing business as usual.

*** Does anyone know what's happening at the moment? ***
Is he really in Venezuela?
Is the class action suit proceeding?
Have a bunch of guys actually got his d/c papers?
Are his training sessions still happening?

I write because I have been a little keen in checking out what CKM has to offer - there are a number of instructors in Australia now - but I am a little concerned about the overal feeling I am getting about CKM... The deception re: his identity and where CKM originates from, which I understand is the main point of this lawsuit.

I have not had sufficient time to look at CKM techniques ( I certainly will when able) but I understand they are at least better than average by and large given that Moni had a good background in judo/jujutsu. This could be discussed elsewhere.

I am just a bit more interested in what's been happening in Moni's organisation lately, the begining of the year with that allegedly happening class action suit and the move to Venezuela?

thansk

rz

[Kior]

I'm unsure of the current situation with the lawsuit. What I can tell you is that to date Moni has produced precisely 0 evidence to back up his claims regarding CKM.

As you seem aware of the controversy surrounding Moni I'd ask yourself why you want to get involved. Are you interested in learning judo/jiujitsu techniques, or do you want to learn a self defence system like krav maga? If the former than I would suggest you go to a real judo or jiujitsu school who don't lie about what they're teaching. If the latter then seek out a legitimate KM school over there.

[kvmorl]

I wish History channel producers would become aware of this issue, I can't tell the amount of times i hear about CKM soon after History channels air the episode featuring CKM.. "When are you moving up to CKM, from Krav" sorta thing.

RZ1 there is a post on a CKm thread around here that has specific info on the lawsuit if i'm not mistaken.

[JL]

To All the CKM lurkers and thoise that have followed this thread......

yes there is a "Class Action Lawsuit" originated in New York

yes Pino Mitty (aka.Moni Aizik) lives near Venezuela, albeit he states that it is for the health of his wife. Although to my knowledge he has not remarried, but lives with a women named Linda, and is still married to his First Wife!

and finally no CKM has NO, I repeat, no association with ANY legitimate Krav Maga School. Nor has he ever been certified to teach Krav Maga by any association!

Now go find a good and legitimate Krav School and foget aboout this CKM bull****.

I have been on the inside of that org. and it is NOT a legitimate KM school in my opinion.
let us all move on from this guy and his truped up system....JL

[BradM]

I thought the thread for bashing Moni and CKM was closed by administration. Is it going to be reopened with this thead? In my view, it's pointless. we are all aware of everyone's views from the previous thread.

rz1,
Info only. Lies or no lies on the part of Moni, law suit or not (I don't know), CKM is still growing strong, like it or not. Check out both the CKM and KM schools near you and make a decision that best suits you.

[JL]

Now tell him the organisation you belong to Brad. CKM isn't it?

You need to pull your head out of the sand and do some of your own rtesearch when it comes to Pino (Moni)

Ask him ofr the paperwork that he has on getting his teaching certificate in Krrav Maga. The ask him for his discharge papers from the IDF. The ask him if he has any idea of KM principles or technique? The go out and get involved in a LEGITIMATE KM SCHOOL. wtf, I don't get you guys from CKM( blind leading the blind)

[mara_jade]

Folks,

This item has been beaten to death, can we just let it ride off into the sunset please?:(:

If anyone wants info, look here
http://kmforum.kravmaga.com/showthread.php?t=2838&highlight=moni

[Vinman]

I thought the thread for bashing Moni and CKM was closed by administration. Is it going to be reopened with this thead? In my view, it's pointless. we are all aware of everyone's views from the previous thread.

rz1,
Info only. Lies or no lies on the part of Moni, law suit or not (I don't know), CKM is still growing strong, like it or not. Check out both the CKM and KM schools near you and make a decision that best suits you.


keep drinking the kool-aid.......

[rz1]

Folks,

This item has been beaten to death, can we just let it ride off into the sunset please?:(:

If anyone wants info, look here
http://kmforum.kravmaga.com/showthread.php?t=2838&highlight=moni

Dear Mara Jade

G'day. I hope I have not offended anyone. This is hardly character assasination or trolling. I honestly merely seek updates.

The last thread was closed and just before this, I believe sometime end 08 early 09 , Pysops and Morkravi were referring to a move on Moni's part to Venezuela and something about a lawsuit and something about a movement to disclose his true military past.

It's been nigh 2 months since I last heard anything re: this.

It would seem on a cursory glance of Moni's CKM forums it seems to be business as usual even in the US - this I found peculiar so I ask.

So imho this subject has not quite been beaten to death.

It is of my opinion any official word from our Israeli friends re: his background and any legal proceedings that actually do take place against Moni/CKM in North America (or any where in the world for that matter) would be of great interest to the Krav Maga community by and large.

At least I would want to know. Wouldn't you?

[Rick Prado]

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I seriously doubt that you are going to hear anything that hasn't been said before. If there is a lawsuit, wait to see the results. As far as his claims, they have been refuted before, and people that are on his side pop up and sing his praises and make counter claims to counter claims. It's one big circle that never ends.

As has been said here many times, if you like what he teaches, learn from it. If not, find something else.

I'm bored right now, I figured I'd do something. Have a great day worrying about Moni.

[BradM]

JL,
"Now tell him the organisation you belong to Brad. CKM isn't it?" Yep, that's right. And about the "head in the sand" comment: I pulled my head out of the sand when I realized that the KM training I was getting in Orlando was substandard from the KM training I got in Atlanta, GA for over three years. Yes I trained in KM for over three years, level-3 student. And I loved it- I was getting good quality Krav. I've posted this before and I'll post it one more time for clarity purposes. I resumed my KM training at Victory Martial Arts when I moved to the Orlando area I found the training, at the time, was really lacking. I did not feel they were following the standards set by KMWW (KMAA at the time). I emailed KMAA several times about my concerns and did receive replies that they would look into and either correct it or close the KM training at the affected schools. To my knowledge neither was done. I base this assumption on the many comments I've heard from several people who started KM at Victory Martial Arts and, being unsatisfied, quit and looked for something else. Many chose CKM as I did. I admit, I was skeptical about CKM when I first started, But, after a couple classes, I found it was a good system for me and the more I trained in it the more I liked it. I can't justify any figures, but I bet close to half of the new students that started CKM classe where I trained had switched from KM to CKM. Mainly because of the reasons I mentioned above. I don't say this to knock KM. I think KM is still a great system. I mention it because I think KM is getting a bad reputation in Central Florida because Victory Martial Arts was not providing the quality training they were looking for. If that is the case, I put the blame on KMWW for not correcting it. Maybe they have, I don't know. I haven't tried KM since I quit and started training In CKM. Kvmorl is a KM student in Orlando, maybe he can attest if the training has improved any. I know he believes in and supports KM and I believe he has even eluded to a little displeasure. Kvmorl, I hope I didn't put you on the spot - that wasn't my intention. I have a lot of respect for you and your posts on tis forum.

Vinman,
Kool-aid is a childs drink. I drink beer, vodka, occasional Cognac, water and a glass of milk a day. (:

Mara_jade,
I agree with you, this has been beat to death. I don't intend to carry it any further. I just wanted to reply to JL's comment and express my thoughts. Sorry about my long post above.
BTW, what happened to puppy dog :)

[mara_jade]

My last thoughts on this and then I'm out.

rz - this subject ALWAYS gets heated, believe me as myself and others have seen it. The internet is too easy a place for words to be taken the wrong way even when you don't intend them to be. CKM and KMWW are 2 separate entities. If you seek answers, ask CKM as you probably won't get them here.

Brad - Everyone else changes their avatars every so often, thought I could use a new one:wav:

[zvor]

Check out these sites if you are in Australia:

http://www.defenceinstitute.com.au/

http://www.kravmaga.com.au/

http://www.kmta.com.au/

http://www.kravmagaepping.com.au/

http://www.sdtactics.com.au/ (Head IKMF Australia instructor)

http://www.tacticalkravmaga.com.au/ (Itay Gil variety)

Hope this helps!

[zvor]

Sorry, just saw that you are in Victoria...try this:

http://www.ikmf.com.au/ (official IKMF home in oz)

List of instructors:

http://ikmf.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=29

[rz1]

Hey Zvor, thanks very much for the Victoria KM links, already training with an orthodox Krav Maga school (and loving it).

And I know, I know, look some of you are tired about this Moni Aizik merry go round, again I do apologize for bringing it up - but ...

I admit I am quite interested in events surrounding this Moni guy and being out here in Australia - it can be hard to keep track of things happening in North America I guess, without the internet - which is one reason why I posted here (and not the CKM site for reasons already known) - to get an update.

So if anyone knows any updates on his whereabouts, plans, lawsuits in progress, any official release of papers from the IDF etc... post em up here, please? Just that, don't have to bash/debate etc.

if you don't want to post em up here, or if the mods feel this thread should be shut down, could you post them to me?

Cheers thanks,
rz

[BradM]

mara_jade,
I wasn't complaining, in fact, I like your new avatar. I used to have a Golden Retriever, that's why I asked. Great dog too!

[BradM]

CJs Dad,
Thank you. I already had a lot of respect for you and with you last post concerning me, I have a lot more respect for you.

[BurshteinA]

I am an attorney working with a group of professionals based out of the United States, Canada, and Israel on the Pino (Moni) Aizik situation. All of these professionals are individuals that are actively involved in the Krav Maga community, and that have been affected by Mr. Aizikís fraudulent claims about his service in the Israel Defense Forces Special Forces and the background of his self created system ëCommando Krav Magaí (CKM).

I will give a brief update of the current state of this matter for the purpose of informing those involved in the Krav Maga community and so that the truth of the matter can remain in the public arena.

There is a legal process currently being undertaken by the group of individuals mentioned against Mr. Pino Aizik. As with most legal processes, there are specific protocols that must be undertaken which take time and create delays. Specifically, with this case the delays have occurred for several reasons;

First, the magnitude of this case is fairly large. Mr. Aizikís fraudulent actions have webbed out to many individuals, organizations, and locations. Meaning that the recourse Mr. Aizik may face will be very substantial, both civilly and criminally.

Mr. Aizik is a father to four children and that was one of the debates the parties involved had to take into consideration. The civil and criminal recourse he can face will more than likely have a lasting impact on his children. This by no means should cancel out his actions and the damage his actions have caused to many, including Krav Maga instructors all the around the world, Krav Maga instructors serving and coming out of service from the Israel Defense Forces who may be relying on their backgrounds as instructors of the ëIDFísí official Krav Maga system to acquire employment, and the name and legacy of Mr. Imi Lichtenfeld, the sole founder of the ëIDFísí official system Krav Maga.

We have communicated to Mr. Aizik a solution that we saw fit to help restore the truth and cushion backlash against him. However, since he is unwilling to take any action to correct the situation, we have no choice but to continue moving forward.

Below is a portion of an e-mail forwarded to Mr. Aizik asking him to correct his mistake, he chose to be un-cooperative to our request, hence our choice to proceed against him.




Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:49:19 -0800
From: moni@commandokravmaga.com
Subject: Re: Important message for Pino Aizik
Dear who ever you are,

Please provide a your office address and cell phone number!
Moni




Moni Aizik (http://www.commandokravmaga.com/)
Founder&Chief Instructor
COMMANDO KRAV MAGA (http://www.commandokravmaga.com/)
ELITE COMBAT FITNESS (http://www.elitecombatfitness.com/)
www.commandokravmaga.com (http://www.commandokravmaga.com/)
www.elitecombatfitness.com (http://www.elitecombatfitness.com/)
1-416-485-3584 / 1-800-408-9218 (U.S &Canada)




To: Moni Pino Aizik <info@commandokravmaga.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 2:28:02 PM
Subject: Important message for Pino Aizik
Mr. Pino/Moni Aizik
National identification number: xxxxxxxxx
Israeli Military identification number: 2166428
Date of birth: 26/06/54

My name is Alon Burshtein, I am an attorney based out of New York, United States and I am representing a group of professionals based in the United States and Israel.

I have attempted to deliver an official letter to you at your previous address: 39 Terra Cotta crescent in Richmond Hill, Ontario, but it appears that you no longer reside at that address and further to information we have obtained, you are no longer residing in Canada. Therefore, we are sending you this e-mail with a pressing message.

We are fully prepared to proceed with legal action against you for fraud based on your false claims which have been advertised since 2002 in relation to your system, formerly known as Combat Survival, now known as Commando Krav Maga supported by the false claims of your military background, which have lead to numerous individuals investing their money with you in trust of your false claims.

We are in contact with several officials in Israel that are prepared and willing to provide expert witness testimony to attest to the fact that you are perpetrating a fraud by representing yourself as a former Israeli commando and asserting your expertise, background and system with the Israel Defense Forces and its official Krav Maga system.

These officials have agreed to a compromise that may be of benefit to you. They want for you to repair the damage you have caused to the image of IDF Krav Maga by claiming you were its co-founder and that your system, Commando Krav Maga, is the official system of the Israel Defense Forces, used by the IDF Special Forces and SWAT teams, and that you train their units in your system. You are being asked to publicly disclose that you and your system never had and donʼt have any association to the IDF or any of the organizationís special units, and to the IDFís Krav Maga system.

If you agree to undertake this action, and correct your mistake, your official IDF military service record, which states the facts about your official service (that you served from August 1972 to August 1975, released from service with the rank of Sergeant, and served in the positions of a ëmashak siurí in a regular infantry brigade for a short period before being re-assigned to administrative duties as a ëmashak orefí and ëmashak maíarahí, and that you never served in the Special Forces or had anything to do with Krav Maga) will not be released to the aforementioned public. However, should you chose to ignore this request, your official military record will be released to the public and we will pursue an aggressive course of legal action against you and anyone or any organization representing Commando Krav Maga that makes claims that itís founder (you) were a former Officer and Commando in the Israeli Special Forces, that you were tasked by the IDF to revamp itís existing hand to hand combat fighting (Krav Maga) system/create a new system for the organization, that your system, CKM, is used by any units in Israel, and that you still train units in Israel in your system of CKM.

This is your chance to correct your wrong doing.

Sent and intended without Prejudice.

A. Burshtein, ESQ.

Second, Mr. Aizik resides in one location, his fraud has been/is being perpetrated in various geographical locations, and is being perpetrated by various means (i.e.; the internet, television interviews, geographically distributed media, etc.), this has created a more complex issue with legal jurisdiction for court filing.
Third, Mr. Aizik has turned his fraudulent scheme into a self expanding and self perpetuating action. Meaning, he created a lie, packaged and marketed that lie, and passes that lie (in his case he sells the lie to profit from it) onto other unsuspecting individuals (individuals who pay him to become CKM instructors) who then turn around and assist him in maintaining his lie and enticing others to give him money to sell his lie.
This means, legally, that although every single CKM instructor doesnít know the truth about Mr. Aizikís claims, want to believe his claims, or donít care whether his claims are true or false, the fact that they advertise his system and his background based on his fraudulent claims in order to sell/advance their business, they are legally just as accountable for civil and criminal liability. In simple English, they are committing the same fraud that Mr. Aizik is.
Our interest is in dispelling Mr. Aizikís lies and reinstating the truth about Krav Maga. Therefore, anyone who is assisting Mr. Aizik in perpetuating his lies, we will take legal action against as well, so it also took us a bit of time to collect all the pertinent information about every single CKM instructor/school that is advertising Mr. Aizikís false claims.
Lastly, refuting Mr. Aizikís claims and disclosing the truth required extensive communication and document filing with the Israeli Ministry of Defense to have his record released. Since he served in the Israel Defense Forces under the name ëPinoí Aizik and not Moni Aizik, we had to have investigators research as many facts about him as possible to properly identify and confirm his service record, this had to also be done by locating his Israeli National Identification Number so that his identity could also be confirmed via his Israeli issued documents such his National Identity card and Passport.
We have also corresponded with the Discovery Channel in regards to their segment on ëWeaponologyí which featured Mr. Aizik and gave him a National platform to publicly advertise his lies. The television showís research department which found Mr. Aizik, did not find him by going through official channels with the Israel Defense Force nor did they conduct any due diligence into Mr. Aizikís background prior to filming him to verify that his claims were legitimate, which is standard practice for many television productions.
This is the latest progress on the Pino/Moni Aizik matter.
A.B.

[Psyops]

Lol,

Well you heard it hear first folks. There were several here who repeatedly told you that this was going happen. It seems that Mr.Aizik is now being exposed. Good. I for one can't wait until this is publicly resolved!

[mara_jade]

Dang, well finally I hope this puts doubts to rest. The Moni situation has been one big distraction and I just want get back to the important stuff - KM

[rz1]

I am an attorney working with a group of professionals based out of the United States, Canada, and Israel on the Pino (Moni) Aizik situation. All of these professionals are individuals that are actively involved in the Krav Maga community, and that have been affected by Mr. Aizikís fraudulent claims about his service in the Israel Defense Forces Special Forces and the background of his self created system ëCommando Krav Magaí (CKM).

I will give a brief update of the current state of this matter for the purpose of informing those involved in the Krav Maga community and so that the truth of the matter can remain in the public arena.

< message snipped for brevity >


Thank you very much, Alon. Could you please keep us updated as things develop? I understand it may be weeks or months before anything really happens.

I may never see it in the news, being down under here! And ... And I am also uncertain if our local MA rag, Blitz will ever do a story on this.

rz

[Hemibuck]

WOW....that's all I have to say....I had no idea. Very good information!

[stevetuna]

Wow.

BTW, I just received a "CKM" e-mail that made all of those same claims addressed in the letter posted above. It was promptly deleted.

[JL]

To the many that are caught up in this mess, re-read the part about perpetuating the same false claims through your own advertising and websites. You can be prosecuted as if you and Pino are the same. I said this in a thread many months ago and then just recently that a judgement and lawsuit were forthcoming. I hope now that people in the KM community know that we did our homework and research to find the truth. When we did find the truth, we did'nt feel the need to go around banting like an old rooster. We are not happy that our research came to these truths. Many hyave lost money and some lost their way (no longer train in any KM). But we are glad if just one more would be victim is spared!

Thanks to Alon B. for bringing all of you up to speed! JL

[kvmorl]

This is great info BurshteinA thank you.

BradMkvmorl is a KM student in Orlando, maybe he can attest if the training has improved any. I know he believes in and supports KM and I believe he has even eluded to a little displeasure. Kvmorl, I hope I didn't put you on the spot - that wasn't my intention. I have a lot of respect for you and your posts on tis forum.


I can't tell if it's improved since you went there, my displeasures mainly comes from the fact I don't see the quality and dedication to Krav I've seen in other Krav gyms in FL but mainly other states. I can understand why, since it's main business is TKD. At the end of the day it's Krav Maga principals and curriculum being taught. I wouldn't switch to a system in which it's origins and principals are seriously in questions, but that is just a personal choice. I'm sure your prior experience with VM KM affected that decision, can't blame you for that. Train hard in whatever you train, the main weapon in a H2H fight is YOU not a system.

[Fortress]

I'm a former CKM Instructor. My "license" expired in December. After I got an e-mail from someone looking for instruction, I checked the CKM site last week and I found that I was still listed as an active Instructor. One of the things that you're hit with is that if you don't attend the next course and go to the next level, your "license" will be pulled and you won't be listed on site anymore. I had to send them an e-mail telling them to remove me.
I'm an Iraq Vet, and, honestly, it was the claims made that drew me to CKM. I'm glad this is being brought out into the open. One thing I can't deal with is stolen valor.

[kvmorl]

Sorry for digging this beast out of the ground but I didn't want to start a new thread.

Have you seen this? I hadn't: Press Release (http://www.prweb.com/releases/fakeselfdefense/instructors/prweb3646764.htm)

Expose Fake Krav instruction blog: LINK (http://www.fakeselfdefenseinstructors.com/)

Pretty interesting information and a lot of instructors and clients putting forth info it seems.

[Psyops]

Well,

I have spoken at length with some of the individuals who are primarily responsible for exposing Moni Aizik. Unfortuanatley when you hunt snakes you are going to encounter scorpions, rats and other vermon. Moni Aizik is liar anyone who still doubts this should check their heads.

There are other instructors who are going to be called out on for their lies as well. Mike Kanarek and Avi Nardia are also headed down the road paved by Moni's b.s. . Again when the grass is cut the snakes will show.

I recently fired two very talented instructors because they had serious integrity issues. There can be no doubts when it comes to integrity. So study what you want. Be very careful when selecting the source of your training.

[Future SWAT]

I'm unsure of the current situation with the lawsuit. What I can tell you is that to date Moni has produced precisely 0 evidence to back up his claims regarding CKM.

As you seem aware of the controversy surrounding Moni I'd ask yourself why you want to get involved. Are you interested in learning judo/jiujitsu techniques, or do you want to learn a self defence system like krav maga? If the former than I would suggest you go to a real judo or jiujitsu school who don't lie about what they're teaching. If the latter then seek out a legitimate KM school over there.


Just to let you know this dude was on fight science and disarmed and punched out a gunman,faster than you can blink your eye.BS or not this guy has a solid program.I personally have not gotten nor care to get into his history.But his program is solid alot more solid than the ATA Krav bs they are selling suckers around here.So until something else comes along im gonna be taking a CKM class starting april 1st.Also just to let you know Krav has all kinds or MA mixed in Judo juijitsu,muay thai,so im not sure what you intended to prove in your post.Possibly you should look into the history and MA that were incorporated into Krav before you just assume it was an original MA in it's own.It also has boxing ect i could go on for a while to list all the MA that the original teacher incorporated into it,but you can look that up yourself.

[kylestyle913]

Just to let you know this dude was on fight science and disarmed and punched out a gunman,faster than you can blink your eye.BS or not this guy has a solid program.I personally have not gotten nor care to get into his history.But his program is solid alot more solid than the ATA Krav bs they are selling suckers around here.So until something else comes along im gonna be taking a CKM class starting april 1st.Also just to let you know Krav has all kinds or MA mixed in Judo juijitsu,muay thai,so im not sure what you intended to prove in your post.Possibly you should look into the history and MA that were incorporated into Krav before you just assume it was an original MA in it's own.It also has boxing ect i could go on for a while to list all the MA that the original teacher incorporated into it,but you can look that up yourself.

I haven't seen the fight science with moni in it....are you sure you're not confusing him with Amir perets? That is really not the issue at hand though. The issue is that moni has misrepresented himself through lies and devious tactics.. Regardless of how effective his system is(very debatible) he has shown a pattern of deception which speaks to his integrity and that is not a quality I for one want in a person who is teaching me how to protect myself and my family. That said I hope you take what works from his system(again debatible) And use what works...I wish u nothing but the best in your endeavors and use it as we say in the system of Krav Maga, "So that one may walk in peace."

[KMKY]

Just to let you know this dude was on fight science and disarmed and punched out a gunman,faster than you can blink your eye.BS or not this guy has a solid program.I personally have not gotten nor care to get into his history.But his program is solid alot more solid than the ATA Krav bs they are selling suckers around here.So until something else comes along im gonna be taking a CKM class starting april 1st.Also just to let you know Krav has all kinds or MA mixed in Judo juijitsu,muay thai,so im not sure what you intended to prove in your post.Possibly you should look into the history and MA that were incorporated into Krav before you just assume it was an original MA in it's own.It also has boxing ect i could go on for a while to list all the MA that the original teacher incorporated into it,but you can look that up yourself.

Not that Psyops needs me defending him, but if you read his other post you will see that he is an extremely knowledgeable individual when it comes to the history of Krav Maga and he is an advocate for breaking down the walls that the various organizations have built.

Second, I do not think anyone here is claiming that Krav Maga isn't a hybrid of styles - we take what works from other systems and discard what doesn't. The problem with Moni's style is that it isn't Krav Maga and his fictitious claims regarding his past. If Moni wanted to call his style Commando Judo I doubt anyone would take umbrage with that, but having seen his video series I can say with confidence that in my humble opinion it isn't Krav Maga.

That being said, best of luck in your endeavors.

[EMS_Warlord]

Moni was on Human Weapon and showed a judo wristlock gun from front takeaway. Did it look like it would work? Sure. But not what is in my training, or what I practice.

Amir did a KM gun from front disarm on Fight Science in the recent Special Ops episode. That's the .12 seconds disarm punch combo I think you brought up.

[mara_jade]

Moni was on Human Weapon and showed a judo wristlock gun from front takeaway. Did it look like it would work? Sure. But not what is in my training, or what I practice.

Amir did a KM gun from front disarm on Fight Science in the recent Special Ops episode. That's the .12 seconds disarm punch combo I think you brought up.

Quite correct-Amir has been on Fight Science and Moni was on Human Weapon.

I DO hope this thread remains civil:wav:

[Ryan]

Who cares?

[JL]

Yes the wheels are coming off at CKM. I really have a problem even writing the letters. For the record. Moni does not have a VALID certification to teach ANYONE krav maga. His Regional Directors in the UK and here in North America are leaving in droves!!! FACT not assumptions!!! Three lawsuits are pending, 1 in the US which has been documented here. 1 in the UK and 1 in Israel (pending). I believe another attorney in Canada is taking up the case here! FACT

what will happen to him and his organisation is still unknown. But I would not like to be on the Goodship Lolly-Pop when the s*#t hit's the preverbial fan!!! I do know that it has gone further in the Miami area due to the fact that Moni took Federal monies to teach what is now proving to be a system advertised with fraudulent (allegedly) claims. Moni had a conference call with his Reg. Dir.'s on the east coast as well as Texas to explain he had to remove some of the claims on his website. (would have loved to here that one) Oh that's right you can...it is on the blog mentioned above. they recorded the call and posted it on the blog to warn the other CKM instructors state and nation wide in the US.

Psyops,
You are a fine man and a man of substance, I was in Vegas but could not wiggle away for a face to face....I will be back and would love to train in your dojo with you and your team. Keep up the great work you are doing for the citizens of LV. Much respect!!


And another fact......on Fight Science it was Amir Perets and Sam Sade (KM Blackbelts)on the show (Feb. '10) it was Amir on a previous FS show featuring himself and a SF's guy!

[Psyops]

Ryan,

A lot of people care. There are school owners who I have spoken to who changed their entire curriculum to this guys bogus stuff because they were lied to. Hell a lawsuit was filed by people you and I know to control the name Krav Maga. This was done to protect the integrity of the system that Moni has compromised. So obviously someone cared enough to push it that far.

Either way my heart goes out to those instructors and students who have been betrayed. This is not about "techniques" or "methods" this is about integrity. Unfortunately in the business there are many out there who do not practice walking in integrity because they are too busy trying to fill their walls with diplomas and accolades.

I can't stand that part of the business. Either way it goes we all have a duty to train in what we believe in. If its CKM, KMWW, IKMF,IKMA,KMA, or ABCDEFJHI.....you get my point. The one ingredient that must be included is Integrity!

JL.....

You are more than welcome at any school that I am a part of! Thank you for your kind words. Kevin Mack stopped by the other day when he was here and it was great spending time chatting. We also had another visit from a friend in Central America. Las Vegas Krav Maga is not interested in organizational beefs. We only want good training. So everyone is welcome!

[smokelaw1]

Las Vegas Krav Maga is not interested in organizational beefs. We only want good training. So everyone is welcome!

I could care less about the beefsd, as long as the people invovled are, as you say, walking in integrity. That said, I'll be in Vegas for a work conference for close to a week in the fall. I'll be in desperate need of some hard training to keep me sane...I'll be sending a PM!

[Ryan]

All of the talk here won't change any of that...just seems like wasted energy to me. Build the best organization/school/instructors/students you can. What Moni Aizik does or doesn't do won't effect me or my students.