Originally Posted by tzrider
In my classes, it's rare to have a partner who really applies what you'd call a choke. It's more like a shoulder massage. I have to remind partners to grip my neck rather than shoulders. With their hands on my shoulders, I physically cannot pluck their hands and I don't need to, as they can't hang on anyway. When they do actually grip my neck, the technique makes some sense.
You are right, people today not trainig with reality, we must simulate like have you benn at street with some assailant, for people more experienced must training hard and strenght, if you are weak your partner dont know if technique results or not....