Vicious head butt at the World Cup - Krav Maga Worldwide™ Israeli Self Defense Forums

Anonymous · 07-09-2006, 04:18 PM

Anyone see the World Cup final between France and Italy?

Near the end of the second overtime, one of France's best players was walking next to an Italian. Suddenly, the French guy turns, faces the Italian and rams his head right into his chest, above the solar plexus.

The Italian collapses and is lying on the ground for a while, the French guy gets the red card.

This was interesting because I had never considered a head butt to the chest to potentially be this effective. But it worked here, giving the French guy the desired result (except for the red card of course).

Something for short people to try, who aren't able to reach the opponent's head.

Oh and by the way, ha vinto l'Italia! Bravo ragazzi! Dov'e la vittoria? E qui! Felicitazioni!

G.V. · 07-09-2006, 05:03 PM

Yeh, that was pretty damn effective!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1i_l...page=1&t=t&f=b

CLFMak · 07-09-2006, 08:52 PM

I'd imagine any committed strike with a running start by a trained athlete would be pretty effective. Anyway, I heard in the England vs Portugal match, an English guy stomped a Portuguese guy's groin in a scuffle. I found a link that mentions it- look under the Brazil Ousted section:
http://blogs.timesunion.com/worldcup/?m=200607

kravjeff · 07-09-2006, 10:18 PM

'Nuther reason to love the French ! :wink:

I read somewhere that headbutts are quite common in Europe during confrontations - Apparently \"underutilized\" in the States?

I've personally never delivered one other than in training, nor have I seen one used, though I've seen my share of altercations. I trust they are rather effective, and as I'm sure you all do, I train them regularly both on the bag and I try to incorporate them into counters during training - Like GK, I never thought to use one to the body. I hope to God I never have to deliver one to the gut of someone so tall that I can't reach his head! :shock:

PhilST · 07-10-2006, 04:51 AM

I wouldnt go by what you see on the football pitch guys, a lot of the European/ South american players will go down like they've been shot every time in their attempts to get opponents sent off. The Zidane headbutt did look a good contact, but the opponent was almost gaurenteed to milk it. Also take Henry in one of frances previous matches - he took an accidental elbow tap to the chest, and dropped to the ground holding his face. The \"offending\" player was red carded.

Wayne Rooney was the stamp on the portugese player - looked half accidental, half deliberate, and yes, painful. I like to work all the \"dirty\" stuff in as much as I can - butts, biting, gouging, groin strikes, stamping - the quicker its over the better!!

noonian · 07-10-2006, 06:13 AM

Yep. This one should explain why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO5wise5r6g

JamesH · 07-10-2006, 08:25 AM

Quote from Jeff: \"I hope to God I never have to deliver one to the gut of someone so tall that I can't reach his head!\"

Uh...Jeff isn't that everyone? :D

G.V. · 07-10-2006, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by \"noonian\"

Yep. This one should explain why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO5wise5r6g

Haha. :lol:

Yeh, I forgot to take soccer field acting into account. Good point, boys.

Pierre · 07-10-2006, 09:28 AM

BTW, the Italian player called him a terrorist (Zedine's family is from Algeria). I suspect the Italian wanted to play with his mind and get him to do something that would get him kicked out. I bet he didn't expect the head but...

Quote:

Originally Posted by \"Giantkiller\"

Anyone see the World Cup final between France and Italy?

Near the end of the second overtime, one of France's best players was walking next to an Italian. Suddenly, the French guy turns, faces the Italian and rams his head right into his chest, above the solar plexus.

The Italian collapses and is lying on the ground for a while, the French guy gets the red card.

This was interesting because I had never considered a head butt to the chest to potentially be this effective. But it worked here, giving the French guy the desired result (except for the red card of course).

Something for short people to try, who aren't able to reach the opponent's head.

Oh and by the way, ha vinto l'Italia! Bravo ragazzi! Dov'e la vittoria? E qui! Felicitazioni!

Anonymous · 07-10-2006, 02:17 PM

The Italian may have done some acting, but he did look hurt, at least initially, as he was going down. The attack was pretty hard to see and unexpected, so the Italian guy had no time to brace himself for impact. If he had been able to tighten his chest in anticipation of the strike, the head butt may have done less damage.

J Frank · 07-10-2006, 06:42 PM

quite a bit of overacting going on in the world cup, but that head-butt looked pretty effective - imagine a huge rock-hard fist right to your sternum :shock:

ouch.

MBlitz · 07-10-2006, 10:03 PM

Interesting debate on the head-butt (one of those oxymoronic terms I love); however, one point worth mentioning is that it should not have mattered what the Italian said to Zedine. For the latter to escalate the encounter from some foolish remark to a first-strike attack was idiotic and a pathetic end to an otherwise inspired career.

J Frank · 07-11-2006, 07:51 AM

jjbklb · 07-11-2006, 09:23 AM

The french hate to work overtime.When their team found out that they were going to have to work a few minutes overtime,one of them just lost it.

J Frank · 07-11-2006, 10:29 AM

good one :lol:

Anonymous · 07-11-2006, 02:22 PM

Hmmmm, but isn't that more the Italians, who go on strike all the time and have hour long lunches? Maybe both of them wanted to end it quickly. :wink:

CLFMak · 07-11-2006, 03:56 PM

This version of it is pretty funny:
http://francefighter.ytmnd.com/

Anonymous · 07-11-2006, 04:13 PM

I liked that he had his hands down the entire time as he was walking toward the Italian. That made it the perfect sneak attack.

tandt · 07-12-2006, 02:38 PM

Keep in mind too, that soccer players use their heads to contact and direct the ball. He would have been capable of a pretty strong head butt.

kravjeff · 07-12-2006, 09:36 PM

As Jay Leno pointed out - It's the first time in sixty years the French commited to combat!

At least there's one tough guy there ...

:lol:

Kurtuan · 07-13-2006, 01:27 PM

\"Yep. This one should explain why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO5wise5r6g \"

Looks a lot like that Systema clip that's been floating around. :lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Jack Diesel · 07-28-2006, 07:49 AM

It was effective in this case, but that is a dangerous attack. You could literally paralyze yourself by doing this. Not suggested for use. That guy was a moron and I wish he would have knocked himself unconscious. Some time ago there was a rookie quarterback in the NFL who scored a touchdown and rammed his head into the goal post. He knocked himself out and injured his spine. he was a great prospect and he ruined his career.

kravjeff · 07-28-2006, 09:11 AM

\"Some time ago there was a rookie quarterback in the NFL who scored a touchdown and rammed his head into the goal post. He knocked himself out and injured his spine. he was a great prospect and he ruined his career.\"

What a dumbass ... I don't remember that, do you know who it was?

Anonymous · 07-28-2006, 02:34 PM

Usually, the neck gets hurt when the head isn't in the right position. In boxing you are told to always tuck your chin, but if you do that while giving a head butt, you are likely to break or tweak your neck.

If the head is in the right position, you should be okay. I actually parctice head butts against the heavybag sometimes. There is also a takedown you can do while on your knees. Get one leg up and then move forward, ramming your head right into the opponent's chest. The force of your head hitting his upper body should throw him back and toward the ground (but not actually hurt him). You can practice this against the heavybag as well. Get on your knees, put one leg up, then move forward and ram your head against the bag, trying to drive the bag back. It sounds scary and it is scary at first, but if you are doing it right, you will notice it doesn't hurt much at all. And it's a good takedown, making it harder for the opponent to get you into a guillotine choke, because your head is in the middle of his chest as opposed to either side of his body.

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Jack Diesel · 07-30-2006, 06:48 AM

No, I don't remember his name, but I'll find out. I beleive he sat the bench with a neck brace until his contract was up

J Frank · 07-30-2006, 09:27 AM

did it ever come out what was said that made that player decide to head-butt?

Anonymous · 07-30-2006, 02:19 PM

I think the Italian said some bad things about Zidane's mother and sister, calling them whores. Apparently, Zidane is known to have a temper, and so the Italian tried to provoke him into doing something stupid. Mission accomplished! :wink:

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