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  • #72018
    morkravi
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    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    just to correct soemthing small psyops, moni was invited to wingate, he contacted wingate and asked if he can come give a free seminar in his system. many instructors from different style do that so they can present ther material to the army. last month friends of mine at the counter terror school were contacted by an american filipino martial arts organization to come do a free 1 day seminar for the instructors, it happens all the time.

    but its important that people dont think that moni was invited. when he spoke to the heads of wingate explaining to them what he wanted to do he never even opened his mouth about being an ex commando in our special forces that was involved in an ambush by 1000 syrians and that he co founded krav maga and created ckm for the idf special forces and trains our units every month in our system. in fact he had explain to the heads of wingate what ckm was first, that’s funny how the heads of wingates didn’t even know what the official system of their army’s special forces was!!!!!!! 🙂

    #72023
    sasha-k
    Member

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    As far as I can tell from reading these posts, most are quite convinced that moni (or whatever he is called) has lied extensively about his past. There is, of course, a strong argument to be made for not training under an instructor simply because he is a liar/lacks integrity. But what about his techniques, taken at face value? Does anybody have any experience actually TRAINING in his system? Are the techniques any good or are they crap I think this is a different debate – is anybody talking about this anywhere? I have learned all there is about the politics of it all, but in my mind it does not necessarily follow that BECAUSE he lied, therefore his system (ie. techniques) are rubbish (this argument has been made by many). My girlfriend went to a few CKM classes when she was in the UK for 6 months and said the techniques were really great for someone like her (ie. quite small, not strong…). So, can anyone tell me anything about the techniques in an of themselves, while refraining from simply saying that he lied and therefore they are bad? I do apologise if this isnt the right debate for these kind of questions, but perhaps a new one can be started?

    Thank you!

    Also, when exactly is his military record coming out? It seems to be very eagerly anticipated!

    #72026

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    When some one start selling DVD’s, t-shirts, etc & giving everyone INSTRUCTOR CERTIFICATE there is some thing wrong don’t you think guys? Thats what Moni doing right now all one big money making business! MONI = MONEY!!!!!!:angry:

    #72028
    eric-joyce
    Member

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    I have noticed a pattern here. There are two arguments going on here:

    1.) That Moni is a liar
    2.) Effectiveness of techniques

    The argument postulated here is about the lying by Moni Aizik (aka Pino) about being the co-founder of Krav Maga and calling his system CKM. He has been called out on it, more proof soon to come forward and previous students of CKM and others that have validated his “embellishmnets” i.e. pathological lying. That’s it. I don’t understand why people keep devating from that.

    The martial efficacy of his techniques are not in question. If they have a good jujitsu/judo base, they are probably pretty good. Keep in mind, it’s not about his technique…it’s about his integrity.

    #72032
    viper
    Member

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    I heard that the first generation of CKM instructors had decent solid backgrounds in martial arts and that now people can walk in off the street and become instructors with no experiance whatsoever! But it says on their criteria minimum of 3 years martial arts training and teaching experience? Sounds like they make up the rules as they go along.:dunno:

    #72119
    jsumm54421
    Member

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    You guys don’t understand that these forums are bias and I must refrain from certain subjects. Also, I don’t feel that it’s my place and do not care to do anything of that nature. However, the buzz on Krav Maga is that everyone is fake!

    http://www.forward.com/articles/14853/

    Please comment:

    Please, stop acting like there is some alliance of official Krav Maga organizations. I have trained in KMWW for many years and took so much crap from various organizations for doing so. Litigation comes easy to the world of Krav Maga and, yes, it’s just the beginning.

    #72121
    jsumm54421
    Member

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    Sasha,

    That’s a great question. People here will comment on systems they never trained in, although there are locations near to them they can visit to be more informed. There is another post that addressing this issue.

    quote Sasha K:

    As far as I can tell from reading these posts, most are quite convinced that moni (or whatever he is called) has lied extensively about his past. There is, of course, a strong argument to be made for not training under an instructor simply because he is a liar/lacks integrity. But what about his techniques, taken at face value? Does anybody have any experience actually TRAINING in his system? Are the techniques any good or are they crap I think this is a different debate – is anybody talking about this anywhere? I have learned all there is about the politics of it all, but in my mind it does not necessarily follow that BECAUSE he lied, therefore his system (ie. techniques) are rubbish (this argument has been made by many). My girlfriend went to a few CKM classes when she was in the UK for 6 months and said the techniques were really great for someone like her (ie. quite small, not strong…). So, can anyone tell me anything about the techniques in an of themselves, while refraining from simply saying that he lied and therefore they are bad? I do apologise if this isnt the right debate for these kind of questions, but perhaps a new one can be started?

    Thank you!

    Also, when exactly is his military record coming out? It seems to be very eagerly anticipated!

    #72125
    jsumm54421
    Member

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    I really enjoy your comments. Hey, the military thing is your big issue not mine. I don’t know who has actual affiliation in the Israeli Military.

    I have no need to use any false claims to bring in students. We respect all systems and it is forbidden to say one style is better than another at our school. We understand that training in one system, does not mean rejecting other systems. Our floor is always open for other instructors, of all styles, to teach and all students to come an train with us. Everyone learns and everyone respects everyone. Also, everyone of my students are encouraged to visit other schools and instructors. Many of my students train in other places and various styles. I am proud to say that my students exercise their own free will to train in what they feel suits them best. I don’t see anything more honest

    quote morkravi:

    its just so funny and sad to see how badly moni’s student and instructors are trying to force themselvs to beleive that moni is the real deal and that they were not scammed by him and commando krav maga.

    jsumm,

    sorry my friend, but youve been scammed. moni has never had anything to do with krav maga not in the civilian world and most definately not in the israeli military, you ask how many instructors in the states actually have israeli military experience? moni doesnt have any real military experience, so what’s your point, unless you consider a jobnik real military experience? ask moni what a jobnik is, im sure he will be happy to answer for you, at least he has enough expertise to answer that question.

    as for litigation, moni would have already taken everyone to court that has said the ‘truth’ about him and his system. instead, when pino learned that his military record was found he packed up and ran to venezuela instead of stand up for his students and instructors.

    you are right that this is just the begining, because when moni is taken to court for fraud, so will all of his instructors that keep advertising his false claims to bring in students and take thier mony. are you prepared for that jsumm?

    #72126
    gadfly
    Member

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    quote jsumm54421:

    I really enjoy your comments. Hey, the military thing is your big issue not mine.

    Happy New Year jsumm. If you’re as tenacious in a fight as you are in defending your position here then I wouldn’t like to get in the ring with you. Don’t get me wrong, I disagree wholly with you and I think you’re going to end up pretty embarrassed, but kudos for being the only one of Moni’s crew to publicly stand up and defend the faith/cult.

    To be frank mate I’ll respect you all the more when you remove this from your website’s home page:

    (Moni)is a master in jui-jitsu and judo, the trainer of many world class MMA fighters and the one asked to develop the updated hand to hand combat system for the Israeli Elite Military Forces!

    There’s other references in the “CKM Founder” tab to the CKM creation myth that you could think about dropping to show that you’re serious when you say you don’t care about the military stuff. Might also be handy if/when the lawyers get involved

    #72127
    kior
    Member

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    quote jsumm54421:

    You guys don’t understand that these forums are bias and I must refrain from certain subjects. Also, I don’t feel that it’s my place and do not care to do anything of that nature. However, the buzz on Krav Maga is that everyone is fake!

    http://www.forward.com/articles/14853/

    I’ll say this for the KMWW forum – they let us have this discussion in the open. On the CKM forum you can’t post without it being approved by a moderator.

    You are using a very bad argument here and I doubt you actually beleive it has any worth yourself. No one is denying that there have been disputes between the three major KM organisations, nor is anyone saying they have an alliance. However regardless of who Imi chose as his successor, regardless of trademark issues, regardless of who has the right gun disarming techniques, the heads of these three organisations were trained by Imi and they have well established links with police and military forces. Moni has neither of these things.

    You’ve still completely failed to answer my question yet again about the military use of CKM.

    #72128
    rich-f
    Member

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    Thank you for posting the Forward article. I strongly agree with David’s quote from the article ìThere are people who want to kill every one of us regardless of what krav maga association we belong to”.
    Between the Gaza issue, the economy and the Madoff scandal anti-semitism is definitely on the rise. I think Moni should finally tell the truth and stop the lies and the real KM systems learn to work together to fight the real enemy instead of each other.
    I feel a little guilty being able to discuss this in a web forum while friends and family are on their way to fight in Gaza and our American troops are deployed around the world.

    #72129
    jsumm54421
    Member

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    ol! I don’t think I’m arguing and don’t expect to win anyone over. Heck, I’m just trying to defend mulitple attackers and get out alive.(lol)

    Again, I am not informed on the military issues and on the outside looking in. If there are some false statements than time will tell. If there comes a time where wording uses have to changed, again, we proceed accordingly. This is expected in these systems.

    For the record, I guess if I were hiding something from someone I may be embarassed if it were to be exposed. No, that’s not me. However, everyone in every system I train in knows all of the happenings surrounding these issues. We train openly so this would just be good information to have.

    #72181
    doc77
    Member

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    hello, i am new here and i live in san antonio and will soon be training for the first time in Krav Maga, is there any newbie advice anyone could offer a greenhorn ? thanks, Nick.

    #72182
    bradm
    Member

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    “I’ll say this for the KMWW forum – they let us have this discussion in the open. On the CKM forum you can’t post without it being approved by a moderator.”

    There have been a lot of posts deleted on this forum and there have been people denied from posting from time to time. Is that not a form of moderator approval and control?

    #72184
    admin-d45
    Keymaster

    Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

    quote BradM:

    “I’ll say this for the KMWW forum – they let us have this discussion in the open. On the CKM forum you can’t post without it being approved by a moderator.”

    There have been a lot of posts deleted on this forum and there have been people denied from posting from time to time. Is that not a form of moderator approval and control?

    Absolutely! And youíre welcome.

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