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Re: David Kahn "Mastering Krav Maga" series
quote Inky:The books are Simply amazing. I had purchased them before I started with KMWW and have found them still useful three years later. I just ordered the DVD’s they will be here in a week so happy early X-mas/B-day to me, yeyeah!.
Mr. Kahn you sir are a Krav’ma’god! Cheers! I will comment again after I review the courses.Are you talking about the “Krav Maga: Essential Guide to Renowned Method for Fitness and Self Defense” and “Advanced Krav Maga”?
I’ll be looking to pick up the DVD set too. It’s a 6 DVD set correct? I’m always looking to improve my knowledge and compare techniques of various Krav Maga experts and choose what works best for me! thumbsup
Re: David Kahn "Mastering Krav Maga" series
Sorry yes i was refering to “Krav Maga: Essential Guide to Renowned Method for Fitness and Self Defense” and “Advanced Krav Maga” Should have my DVD’s tomorrow.
Re: David Kahn "Mastering Krav Maga" series
quote davidkahn:Hi,The IKMA under Grandmaster Gidon does have some significant differences both in both training and approach compared to the other organizations. The IKMA (Gidon System) focuses on both self-defense and hand-to-hand combat. At the higher training levels, one must be able to successfully defend against a professionally trained attacker — hand-to-hand combat.
I can tell you first hand that until I trained in Israel, I really did not understand that there was any siginfiicant difference between organizations and the top instructors. But my first instructor Rick Blitstein understood this well when he sent me to the IKMA for my instructor training. In short, seeing is believing. Obviously, with the breadth of video now available, comparisons are somewhat more accessible.
Grandmaster Gidon also tests the IKMA’s techniques against resistance and a non-compliant opponent. To this day, Haim actively trains/fights with us on the mat. He does not simply teach or theorize.
Haim visited us this past October for our annual U.S. course and we had opportunity to discuss yet again the ongoing evolution of the system. Haim noted that all of the other krav maga organizations are now trying to adopt groundwork. Many of these organizations’ top instructors are personally training with groundwork specialists.
It should be noted again, that Haim began developing the IKMA’s groundwork approach under Imi’s watchful eye in the early 1990’s before most others realized the necessity of street oriented groundwork. Most importantly, Haim adopted a krav maga approach rather than a sport-oriented approach.
There are also significant differences in our weapon defenses, again, approved by Imi.
Thanks for a great answer David! Got some follow up questions:
These “significant differences” in your weapon defenses -could you give an example on how they differ from IKMF or KMG?
Regarding the groundwork – is that too very different from what IKMF/KMG does?
Re: David Kahn "Mastering Krav Maga" series
Hi,
Yes, I’ll provide a couple of examples focusing on handgun threat from the front. I’ll also caveat while the difference may seem subtle to some, the all-important potential outcome is why I’ll call it a significant difference.
When forced to react against a handgun threat from the front, we deflect-redirect using a similar body defense to what you have probably seen. The crucial difference is we move deep to the deadside using an elbow kiss to pin the assailant’s forearm to his torso while actually positioning the defender to the deadside to exert maximum control of the firearm.
We do not stay to the opponent’s front (liveside exposure) because if the defender does succeed in knocking the assailant down, the defender is not in a good tactical position to move and control the weapon. Most importantly, either the assailant can wrench the handgun from the defender’s control (even as he is pummeled) or the assailant falls backwards as a result of the counter-attack pulling the defender with him (defender dares not let go of the handgun) with all of the dangers that snafu entails. Additionally, while violence of action is paramount the simultaneous defend and attack mode, we do not provide the assailant an opportunity to resist or fight back with his free arm.
Another significant difference is we do not cross the body to defend if we had a companion to the right or if the assailant were on “a diagonal threat from the front, from a distance.” Grandmaster Gidon developed an improved defense. I cover these and many other weapon defense differences in my forthcoming third book, Krav Maga Weapon Defenses (700 photographs).
Re: David Kahn "Mastering Krav Maga" series
quote davidkahn:Hi,Yes, I’ll provide a couple of examples focusing on handgun threat from the front. I’ll also caveat while the difference may seem subtle to some, the all-important potential outcome is why I’ll call it a significant difference.
When forced to react against a handgun threat from the front, we deflect-redirect using a similar body defense to what you have probably seen. The crucial difference is we move deep to the deadside using an elbow kiss to pin the assailant’s forearm to his torso while actually positioning the defender to the deadside to exert maximum control of the firearm.
We do not stay to the opponent’s front (liveside exposure) because if the defender does succeed in knocking the assailant down, the defender is not in a good tactical position to move and control the weapon. Most importantly, either the assailant can wrench the handgun from the defender’s control (even as he is pummeled) or the assailant falls backwards as a result of the counter-attack pulling the defender with him (defender dares not let go of the handgun) with all of the dangers that snafu entails. Additionally, while violence of action is paramount the simultaneous defend and attack mode, we do not provide the assailant an opportunity to resist or fight back with his free arm.
Another significant difference is we do not cross the body to defend if we had a companion to the right or if the assailant were on “a diagonal threat from the front, from a distance.” Grandmaster Gidon developed an improved defense. I cover these and many other weapon defense differences in my forthcoming third book, Krav Maga Weapon Defenses (700 photographs).
This sounds exactly how I was taught in IKMF. I can hardly wait until Christmas Eve, when with Oscar caliber feigned surprise I open your DVD set. My IKMF instructors hold you in the highest regard.
Re: David Kahn "Mastering Krav Maga" series
@davidkahn: Thanks. Very illuminating answer indeed!Re: David Kahn "Mastering Krav Maga" series
Hi David, without seeing the video and reading the description of the standing stance sideways make a lot of sense as far groin protection is concerned.
I do not know if you realize I am Deaf and use American Sign Language (ASL).
I always thought it never made sense to allow yourself to be hit & to give and take hits. ( strikes )
The emphasis should be on avoiding hits and giving out 100% hits. Easier said than done but with practice this can be possible through eye-hand coordination and improved quick time responses.
I think because of using sign language, I can see a thousand different applications to one situation.
The emphasis on getting a person’s hand over gun defense is not good because it goes into an awkard position as the person’s arm goes outside the assailant’s arm to grab the gun. This in my opinion is wrong for many reasons. What should be done is take advantage of the natural positioning of the body/arm of the assailant and using your own arm/hand blows with sheer power delevoped through practice, you can actually break his arm and at the same time through sheer & violent force push his arm out of the way knocking the gun out of his hand & throwing powerful chinjabbing blows to his chin. His neck hurts, too bad he should not have been robbing people to begin with then using violent & hard karate chops on his throat as he falls down, the knee connects with the spine and hammerfist strikes to the chest & his ribcage. Why punch his jaw when there are far better options available plus using multiple forces at once is much better too.
I know this because I fought with someone at an ATM machine and saw right away had I used that kind of gun defense common in krav maga and another martial arts ( not a criticism by the way if you can understand what I am saying here. )
I refuse to be a victim of poor martial art teaching which is what almost killed me and ever since, I have been studying the martial arts and looking in the medical and scientific fields where martial arts are concerned.
The laws in the U.S.A. need to be better suited to victims of violent crimes. Castle doctrine is a good start and the laws concerning martial arts need to change to where the bad guys are actually punished and NOT THE VICTIMS BEING PUNISHED. I do not know what the laws are like in Israel but if they are anything like in the U.S.A. then that needs to change too.
Re: David Kahn "Mastering Krav Maga" series
This has been on my mind for several years now.
When I say Krav Maga, I am saying all of the krav maga organizations under KMWW and other KM organizations.
Please do not take this the wrong way. You guys all are doing good work in your respective organizations which is excellent and there is always room for better improvement & under one roof this can be made so much better with flexibility and being open-minded & sharing your research at annual meetings.
I have often wondered what the family of Imi Litchenfeld has to say about Krav Maga right now being called a ladie’s and kid’s fitness center.
There are almost no krav maga martial art competitions displaying men’s insane levels of physical fitness and martial fighting ability & prowess etc.
There is so much fighting in the courts over the legal name of krav maga etc.
I think it is time all KM organizations came under one roof all the way from Israel.
Israel is literally fighting for their life right now with the martial arts of Asia, Arab and Soviet countries posied to attack Israel, just as foretold in the Bible. This is not Abraham’s 300 trained army. The martial arts of today will rival anything Abraham every had in medical & scientific fields etc.
This is where I think the medical & scientific field of Krav Maga and other fields need to come under one roof again.
Krav Maga needs to hold men’s martial art competitions on all 7 continents or 7 lands in the sporting arena and much more.
KRAV MAGA WILL BE THE GOLDEN STANDARD WHERE MARTIAL ARTS ARE COMPARED. [ TO SOMEDAY ] 😎
Re: David Kahn "Mastering Krav Maga" series
One last thing, I think it was no accident that God of Israel himself had a man with the last name of Lichtenfeld be responsible for the revival of Israeli martial arts.
I do not know the meaning of Lichtenfeld in Hebrew but being an American, it is clear as day to me that his last name is almost spelled field of research. 😎
Re: David Kahn "Mastering Krav Maga" series
Moderators: You can delete my posts as necessary. It is something that had to be said.
You can take these things into consideration ” in-house ” to make things better for Krav Maga.
Re: David Kahn "Mastering Krav Maga" series
quote JewishFitness1976:One last thing, I think it was no accident that God of Israel himself had a man with the last name of Lichtenfeld be responsible for the revival of Israeli martial arts.I do not know the meaning of Lichtenfeld in Hebrew but being an American, it is clear as day to me that his last name is almost spelled field of research. 😎
Lichtenfeld is German for “bright field,” Sde-Or is the same in Hebrew.
Re: David Kahn "Mastering Krav Maga" series
Just watched disc one. Fantastic in every way. Some variation in technique from my IKMF training but expertly explained. Some additions that are not covered in the IKMF P-level syllabus. Thanks wife……Merry Christmas to me.
Re: David Kahn "Mastering Krav Maga" series
I have now watched the entire series. In a word……Fantastic. Highly recommended to students of other organizations(I’m IKMF.) I think we sometimes get overly attached to our own group.
Bravo David Kahn and IKMA for making this available to us all.
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