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Re: gun grab revisited
techninque works no mater where on your back the gun is pointed , i would swivel my hips a bit harder and further if it was to the right of my back , but i suppose you would swivel pritty fast if it were a real situation . if the gun is a few feet back ( ie not touching you back ) then as you turn you step back with your right leg more ( getting closer to the attacker ) and swing your right arm further from your body and stepin toward the person as you redirect , i find this technique works very well for lower and upper back but not as good for head . i like to learn as little as possible so i do not suffer overload if a real life situation would occur and i feel myself that this techinique covers the full back prity well though others may disagree . hope this answered you question
franco krav
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wnsnWnWHQMi also put a link to this video as i feel in most krav classes outside of israel that they dissarm the gun then stop training , it is very important for krav guys to know at least the basic of how a gun should be heald and used . especially in a confined space
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-652qTIQ0g
franco krav
Re: gun grab revisited
?Franco, yes thanks, but one more question if you don’t mind. Why do you put your hands up? To be honest I’m fifty years old last month and luckly I’ve never been mugged so I’m curious as do muggers actually demand their victims to put their hands up
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good question , i have never been mugged at gun point but was with a knife and baseball bat by 2 thugs many many years ago which is why i took up krav i was always a boxer in my younger days but when i was mugged i realised that boxing did nothing or could do nothing for me if i was in this situation .like that or even that boxing by punching a person on the street i would probably break my hand , though it did give me a very solid knowledge of dealing with pain being hit and crutially how to get power in to my strikes but in answer to your question this gun techinique from behind works equally as well if your hands hung loose by your side . i might go as far as to say it works better as you right hand has less to travel as you pivot your hips and turn . hope this helped you out
take a look at my striking techniques volume 1 and 2
they were made quickly and were my first youtube videos so they might be a bit amaturish looking sorry about that
Re: gun grab revisited
I’m probably putting my foot in my mouth again (as I have in the past). But, I felt i needed to add something to this thread and maybe clarify some of the questions about the gun defense from the rear.
First, the techique is designed to worked in either direction (left or right) and must be trained that way. So, if the gun is in the center of the back, the defender has the option of turning in either direction – usually the direction he/she feels most confident (however, again train both ways). If the gun is more to the right side of the body, you would execute the technique to the right, saving time and travel. Likewise, if the gun was more to the left side of the body, you would execute the technique to the left. In either case, the technique and level of simplicity doesn’t change – only the direction the defender turns.
Another point is as the defender turns and loops around the wrist of gun hand, it is done with considerable speed and pressure applied to the wrist. In some cases the pressure (pain) may cause the gun to fall free. Also, at the same time you lunge into the attacker with a head butt or shoulder while grabbing the gun and removing it from the attacker. The attacker will most likely be off balance and more concerned about not falling down than offering too much resistance and trying to keep control of the weapon. If the attacker does offer resistance, you keep lunging forward, head butting, keeping pressure on his wrist until you have control of the weapon.
About the hands, you always try to keep them at the same level as the gun. If the gun is against the lower back, you certainly would not raise your hands. You sort of crunch your shoulders (in a submissive manner), slightly bending your elbows and raising your hands as if you were drawing a gun out of a holster. As your hands reach the level you fell the gun at, you execute the techique. Note that this is all done in a split second.
If the gun is not touching your body the solution is the same as in KM. You have to know where the gun is (at least you bettrer know) before defending. Most people’s response would be to quickly look behind then quickly look forward again at the demands of the attacker. In doing so you get a pretty good idea how far and location of the gun. At that point you have to make the decision if you should just comply or attempt the defense. If the attacker is fairly close, you could still possibly execute the defense. It would be more dangerous and risky, but still can be done, depending on how fast you move. If the attacker is a reasonable distance behind you, you don’t have much choice but to comply with his demands. There’s hope that once the attacker see you are compliant, he may move closer, giving you another opportunity to defend. An opton is to step back slightly when the attack occurs, by chance the attacker is close enough that the gun is now touching your back.
Hope I have helped some what.
Re: gun grab revisited
good post BRADM, i was always taught the same , hands at same level as the gun . also i was taught think bunny rabbit ears with your hands .
hands at same height as the gun in in my vid
Re: gun grab revisited
I’ve seen videos describing grabbing the gun as close to the trigger guard as possible to limit the possibility of the sight gashing you as an attacker recoils. Another plus to the placement of the grab is that there’s a slight, but real, possibility you’ll jam a revolver before it’s fired because you can interfere with the rotation of the barrel. It also helps to grab close to the trigger guard, as opposed to the center of the barrel, because some guns have compensated barrels that will burn your hand. Burn? Yeah, better than death, true, but I’m just relaying what I’ve seen.
Re: gun grab revisited
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