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  • #34318
    reza
    Member

    hi guys . and first of all sorry for my bad english !

    my primary style is kickboxing but i had some experience in boxing and tkd and karate
    this is my opinion about krav maga

    i think this style is effective in THEORY . and give you very good mindset about self defense
    for example krav teach you to avoid dangerous situations . or never let someone to take the fight on the ground . krav also has a good mindset on multiple attackers and 3rd party protection
    and they are good concepts for self defense
    but krav maga has many cons .
    1-krav maga techniques are based on strike to the weak point of the body (eyes throat groin etc ) and you CANNOT train this techniques with your partner . you cannot kill or maim your friend !
    and a good muay thai fighter better can kick someone to the groin . also a boxer better can punch someone to the throat

    2-krav does not have full-contact sparring and competition . i saw many sparring of krav guys on youtube and all of them was P**** ! they dont know anything from the fight . they learned some groin shots and eye pokes and think they are bada** but i promise you guys they su** in the street

    3- i think 360 defense and inside defense are completely bull**** ! what the hell you think about the street fight !? can you defense against boxer’s hook punches with 360 defense ? NO
    or a choke from bjj fighters … they spar that techniques and they know how to dont let you escape from their chokes

    4-you think wrestlers / boxers / thai boxers etc etc etc cannot fight in the street because they train in the sport !!
    and it’s wrong . there are many youtube videos that show boxers destroy their opponent
    5-some people say krav is effective because israeli special forces use it ! but israeli commandos are bada** with their gun not with their krav maga !;):

    #89575
    maddogmean
    Member

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    I won’t go into too much detail about your criticisms on the system. Just to say that many law enforcement and military organizations will seriously disagree with your viewpoint.

    #89576
    cjs-dad
    Keymaster

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    Lets put aside your opinion for a second, I’m trying to figure out what your motivation to come into a Krav Maga forum sign up and make such a negative post is?

    As far as your opinion is concerned everyone’s entitled to one. I happen to live in a world of reality so I respectfully tell you your full of sh!t and have absolutely no clue what your talking about.

    Maybe someone else will take the time to educate you on just how ignorant your comments are. Meanwhile I’m just going to sit over here and shake my head wondering how some people are so clueless.

    You have a nice day and please enjoy your cardio kickboxing classes – for the street.

    #89577
    catapult
    Member

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    Interesting that someone would purport to tell us how well something works in real life when it’s unlikely he has ever seen it in real life (not many krav gyms in Iran) and his only exposure is some youtube videos. :confused:

    Reza, if you’re ever in the Los Angeles area, I’m sure CJs Dad would be happy to put on the gloves and give you a full-contact sparring demonstration. thumbsup

    #89578

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    “They see me troooolllin, dey haaaatiiiiiin, patrollin and tryn’a catch me typin durrrteehh”
    “tryn’a catch me typin durrtehhhhhh”
    “tryn’a catch me typin durrteehhhhhh”
    “tryn’a catch me typin…”
    “TRYN’A CATCH ME TYPIN DURRTEEEHHHHHH!”

    #89579
    maddogmean
    Member

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    Ok…why not?….Here’s my take on your criticism.

    quote :

    1-krav maga techniques are based on strike to the weak point of the body (eyes throat groin etc ) and you CANNOT train this techniques with your partner . you cannot kill or maim your friend !
    and a good muay thai fighter better can kick someone to the groin . also a boxer better can punch someone to the throat

    Why wouldn’t anyone faced with a life threatening situation target these areas? If it’s there, destroy it and go home safe. Sure you can’t stick your thumb in your partner’s eye and rip it out. But I’ve been kicked in the groin enough to know that it works.

    quote :

    2-krav does not have full-contact sparring and competition . i saw many sparring of krav guys on youtube and all of them was P**** ! they dont know anything from the fight . they learned some groin shots and eye pokes and think they are bada** but i promise you guys they su** in the street

    A championship belt won’t guarantee my survival, so what’s the point? Although there’s not the same frequency of sparring that you’d find in MMA or MT, we do spar. But sparring in sport fighting is the simulation of the actual fight. In KM we drill to simulate the actual attack.

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    3- i think 360 defense and inside defense are completely bull**** ! what the hell you think about the street fight !? can you defense against boxer’s hook punches with 360 defense ? NO
    or a choke from bjj fighters … they spar that techniques and they know how to dont let you escape from their chokes

    The 360 defense isn’t the only defense that we have against a hook punch. But ask yourself…how would you defend that attack if the boxer had a knife in his hand? We have plenty of choke defenses in our curriculum. Yes, the skill level of the BJJ attacker can be a factor…but how many BJJ black belts are going to be kicking in my door trying to commit a home invasion?

    quote :

    4-you think wrestlers / boxers / thai boxers etc etc etc cannot fight in the street because they train in the sport !!
    and it’s wrong . there are many youtube videos that show boxers destroy their opponent

    There is no perfect system. And as much as you may thing KM has no value, it does cover many of the common attacks that people are threatened with everyday. That’s what we train for. It’s not just the 1on1/unarmed street fight that many think is the only threat you’ll ever face.

    You’ve listed several other martial arts as better than Krav for self defense, and don’t take this as a knock on those other disciplines. BJJ, Boxing, MT, Wrestling are fantastic (which elements of all are integrated into Krav Maga). Each has it’s end goal. Each has it’s merits.

    So here’s a little test that you can do to see how well you can handle yourself in a street encounter…because in reality, there are so many unpredictable variables that you can only hope to be prepared for:

    Next time you’re sparring in your kickboxing class, give your opponent a rubber training knife, and see how you do. Because you’re more likely to face a knife wielding crazy person than the #10 UFC middleweight in a real life attack.

    #89580
    catapult
    Member

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    quote MadDogMean:

    Although there’s not the same frequency of sparring that you’d find in MMA or MT, we do spar.

    I was reading an article about Greg Jackson’s MMA gym, one of the best in the world, training Jon Jones, etc. I was surprised that he only lets them spar one day a week. The rest of the time they’re doing drills. I guess even pro UFC fighters can only take getting beaten up so much without it hurting their performance.

    #89581
    maddogmean
    Member

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    I heard about that as well.

    #89582
    kmky
    Member

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    quote catapult:

    I was reading an article about Greg Jackson’s MMA gym, one of the best in the world, training Jon Jones, etc. I was surprised that he only lets them spar one day a week. The rest of the time they’re doing drills. I guess even pro UFC fighters can only take getting beaten up so much without it hurting their performance.

    ==>yeah but all of them was P**** ! they dont know anything from the fight… think they are bada** but i promise you guys they su** in the street <==

    [yes that is sarcasm]

    #89584
    kravandy
    Member

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    Millions of Jews, Law Enforcement Officials, Military Personnel, and civilians would disagree. But this is a free country and you can have whatever opinion tickles you. rofl2

    #89585
    rickprado
    Member

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    A copy of my recent facebook post:

    Miami Krav Maga, Nir MamanRick BlitsteinYigal ArbivDavid Kahn and Haim Gidon were tagged in this post to acknowledge their contributions.

    At least 2 people are safe today, thanks to KM.

    2 of my students are part of a security team at a mega church, they specifically protect the pastor.

    Last Saturday, a belligerent and intoxicated guy wants to approach the pastor during as mass, in front of 10 thousand people. One of my guys tells him to calm down, wait until after the mass, etc…..he insists and they put him in a control hold and escort him out of the building. He calms down a bit and begins praying with another pastor, telling him he needs help, etc….

    He flips out and tries to attack the pastor who’s helping him and one of my guys uses a rear head control takedown(the Nir special I call it), flips him on his stomach and handcuffs him.

    Afterwards. he didn’t even know what he did, it just came to him naturally, the other guys had to recount the events to him.

    Thanks to all of you guys who I’ve had the honor to learn from and Imi, at least 2 more people were saved from harm. Who knows what else he may have done?

    To the original poster, I respectfully call bull****!

    #89792
    resqr1
    Member

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    Baaa Baaaa.

    I think I hear Reza’s girlfriend calling….

    #89857
    kmyoshi
    Member

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    I don’t have much to add to this thread, and this story already has another thread on it in this forum but to reiterate:

    http://abc7.com/news/oc-homeowner-with-martial-arts-training-fends-off-intruders/970335/

    quote :

    SANTA ANA, Calif. (KABC) —
    Two home invasion suspects chose the wrong house to target. The homeowner, who is trained in martial arts, turned the tables on the criminals, even shooting one of them.

    The incident took place at Erickson Dumaual’s home in the 2500 block of West Manly Avenue around 4 a.m. Friday.

    Dumaual said two burglars came into his bedroom through an open sliding door, pointed a gun at his head and demanded money.

    “Fifty-fifty, it was a struggle. I didn’t know whether I was going to die,” Dumaual said.

    Wanting to protect his sister and his 14-year-old nephew in the house, Dumaual took action.

    “I saw the gunman turn his head, I attacked. I went for the gun. I have training in Krav Maga, so it didn’t scare me at all,” Dumaual said.

    Dumaual pushed the gunman against a window, shattered the glass, and then took the fight outside.

    After fending off both men, he took the gun. One suspect ran, but the one who lost the gun wanted to keep fighting.

    “He never fired a shot on me, but I took that gun and he was going for that gun again, so I had to defend myself,” Dumaual said.

    He shot the suspect in the leg, when the man tried to run. Dumaual pushed him into the pool and told him to stay put. When the suspect jumped out of the pool, Dumaual shot him again.

    “He wanted to run,” Dumaual said. He said the suspect kept saying, “I’m sorry,” and tried to flee.

    “No, you’re staying right here buddy. So I tried to subdue him even more,” he said.

    Officers arrived and took 19-year-old Bryan Bravo into custody. Dumaual’s nephew took a photo of him on a stretcher.

    Police say the two suspects might have robbed someone earlier in the morning.

    “The description matches. They were on a bike. Our victim was walking down the street, had a backpack, cellphone and money,” Cpl. Anthony Bertagna said about that incident.

    As for Dumaual, he escaped with a few scratches and a cut on his foot from stepping on glass. He said these men picked the wrong house.

    “He deserved it. He deserved every bit of it. I’d do it again if it happened again,” he said.

    Police said Bravo is a known gang member with a long criminal history. He is expected to survive.

    If you have any information on the second suspect, you’re urged to call Santa Ana police.

    #89858
    five04zog
    Member

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    Well Bas Rutten would disagree with you. You say you are a Kick-boxer? Bas was one of the best before he became a Would Champ MMA fighter. In fact he was one of the best in MMA history. Mr. Bas Rutten speaks highly of Krav Maga. Tell Bas he is wrong.

    #89925

    Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !

    quote Reza:

    hi guys . and first of all sorry for my bad english !

    my primary style is kickboxing but i had some experience in boxing and tkd and karate
    this is my opinion about krav maga

    i think this style is effective in THEORY . and give you very good mindset about self defense
    for example krav teach you to avoid dangerous situations . or never let someone to take the fight on the ground . krav also has a good mindset on multiple attackers and 3rd party protection
    and they are good concepts for self defense
    but krav maga has many cons .
    1-krav maga techniques are based on strike to the weak point of the body (eyes throat groin etc ) and you CANNOT train this techniques with your partner . you cannot kill or maim your friend !
    and a good muay thai fighter better can kick someone to the groin . also a boxer better can punch someone to the throat

    2-krav does not have full-contact sparring and competition . i saw many sparring of krav guys on youtube and all of them was P**** ! they dont know anything from the fight . they learned some groin shots and eye pokes and think they are bada** but i promise you guys they su** in the street

    3- i think 360 defense and inside defense are completely bull**** ! what the hell you think about the street fight !? can you defense against boxer’s hook punches with 360 defense ? NO
    or a choke from bjj fighters … they spar that techniques and they know how to dont let you escape from their chokes

    4-you think wrestlers / boxers / thai boxers etc etc etc cannot fight in the street because they train in the sport !!
    and it’s wrong . there are many youtube videos that show boxers destroy their opponent
    5-some people say krav is effective because israeli special forces use it ! but israeli commandos are bada** with their gun not with their krav maga !;):

    You’re an idiot who knows nothing about which you speak of . You do realize Krav is a hybrid that borrows from all those so called better styles . For example you mention the inside defense wouldn’t work against a punch , did you know that those are based on the same parry moves you use in boxing ?

    So you basically contradicted yourself . Like I said you are a fool who knows nothing about which you speak of so do us all a favor and go drink bleach .

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