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Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
quote Kirsten:Nope its sounds like whining to me. Not sure how it would stop “McDojo’s” by complaining that MMA guys are giving KM guys a hard time. Its a pissing match that’s all. Like I said its apples and oranges. Two different things.I see Krav Maga guys giving MMA a hard time, as well. The issue isn’t that, though – I think being critical of martial arts is a good thing. While you might see it as “whining”, I personally would not dismiss it like that. I’m more interested as to why people who practice MMA do not like Krav Maga. Ignoring criticism is generally a bad idea.
Is it a perceived lack of open sparring? Is it a misunderstanding of Krav Maga? I don’t believe it’s “whining” as long as we don’t have answers to these questions.
But that’s just me! 🙂
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
I think what really bugs me about the whole thing is how most people write Krav off over groin strikes. I worked with a guy who didn’t want to take Krav for that reason alone. Never mind it can save your life, it’s “cheap”. I will never understand that rational. I love UFC. I love Krav. If someone wants to get me a UFC contract so I can fight them fairly for some money, no problem. If someone runs up to me in a Walmart parking lot (Which could totally happen around here depending which one you go to) then Krav Maga and groin strikes ye shall recieve.
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
quote Nauticus:I see Krav Maga guys giving MMA a hard time, as well. The issue isn’t that, though – I think being critical of martial arts is a good thing. While you might see it as “whining”, I personally would not dismiss it like that. I’m more interested as to why people who practice MMA do not like Krav Maga. Ignoring criticism is generally a bad idea.Is it a perceived lack of open sparring? Is it a misunderstanding of Krav Maga? I don’t believe it’s “whining” as long as we don’t have answers to these questions.
But that’s just me! 🙂
I just don’t see where its being critical.. just complaining IMO. I hear this problem at my place from both sides. Perhaps I am overly sick of their bitching and moaning over who gets what. Perhaps its all been said here before. To me, this thread only sounded like more of that. People train in what interest them. Some want to compete, some want self defense. Some like myself train in both. Its the same reason somebody learns the piano over the violin… preferance. But that is not where this thread is going… and its not about dismissing it, its about moving on.
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
quote Kirsten:I just don’t see where its being critical.. just complaining IMO. I hear this problem at my place from both sides. Perhaps I am overly sick of their bitching and moaning over who gets what. Perhaps its all been said here before. To me, this thread only sounded like more of that. People train in what interest them. Some want to compete, some want self defense. Some like myself train in both. Its the same reason somebody learns the piano over the violin… preferance. But that is not where this thread is going… and its not about dismissing it, its about moving on.I understand what you’re saying, but would it not be more beneficial, then, to help the thread move in the right direction, instead of negatively just coming in and accusing everyone of “whining”? I’m not trying to be argumentative, but you’re the first person in this thread accusing anybody of that. From what I see, everybody else was simply giving their thoughts on the subject.
But I agree that it’s definitely preference. But I also feel that there’s more to it.
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
hmm… well I tried to move it along as did several others, however it digressed back to this so I will leave it to you to discuss the serious matter of “why the hate on Krav by MMA people” and the hypothetical “fanboyism”…
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
quote Nauticus:Although true, it’s also the same reason that NHL players don’t retaliate when a penalty committed.They don’t? Really! :rolleyes: psst, you are Way Wrong on that…
Or when soccer players throw themselves to the floor when something that could be perceived as a foul occurs.
Also Wrong.
If a Krav Maga specialist entered an MMA ring and fought an MMA fighter, the Krav Maga specialist would get tooled.
Wrong. Only someone relatively new/inexperienced would make an erroneous generalization like that.
But if an MMA fighter fought a Krav Maga specialist on the street, the outcome would be very different.
Wrong again. Only someone relatively new/inexperienced would make an erroneous generalization like that.
This is clearly because each discipline has the advantage in how they are taught – one is sport, and the other is a self defense program.
Wrong. Teaching methodology is only ONE factor of MANY that comes into play.
Neither style is “better” or “worse” than the other, but many MMA fans equate it with street fighting, which would be grossly incorrect. 😉
IMO, CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is good. Criticism is so-so. But I don’t see much of either in this thread. If you want to be critical of either MMA or KM, it would be better to discuss what you felt either lacks for their intended purposes.
If you wanted to find some tangible answers, the original question should have been worded differently and asked elsewhere (e.g. a MMA forum). To me, it’s little silly to come to a KM forum and ask why MMA practitioners dislike KM. Shouldn’t you be asking MMA practitioners directly? Sure there are SOME MMA practitioners here but that’s not what this forum is dedicated to. I hope you weren’t coming here to stir the pot…
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
:D. Man you must have some wild Walmart’s in your neighborhood lol.
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
Well in my wide range of experiences (if you were here with me you would see my tongune in my cheek) I personally hold to the view to never dismiss anything or anyone. An eighty year old woman can clean your clock if you get too cocky (especially if she has a cane). I would never dismiss a MMA practitioner in any circumstance. If someone wants to dismiss my skills (cough, cough :D:) then let that be their problem. I’m not going to worry about it, infact I even welcome it. I love it when someone underestimates me.
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
quote Night Robin:Just for my own fanboyishness, are Kumites really held? I know there is controversy with the real Frank Dux’s claims he competed in one. But other than him, I have never heard anybody so much as claim to have seen one save that article.The kumite being referenced in the Misunderstanding Krav Maga post was referring to traditional karate kumite… meaning sparring… not Blood Sport.
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
quote Juxtaposition::D. Man you must have some wild Walmart’s in your neighborhood lol.Its just that someone is always yelling in the parking lot or threatening somebody else. I have never been to the one closest to my house without seeing somebody severely cussing somebody else out. The place embarrasses me. Our other walmart is only a problem if your out there late at night, which I rarely am.
quote greenbeanie:The kumite being referenced in the Misunderstanding Krav Maga post was referring to traditional karate kumite… meaning sparring… not Blood Sport.Oh ok. I didn’t know of any use of the word Kumite other than in reference to that movie or its supposed true origin. Just saw the word and figured I see if anyone on here could fill me in. Yet another thing I’ve learned from this site.
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
Validation,
This is what I see. People from both sides seeking validation. Kravists are taught the differences between the sport and the street from day one. This is sometimes interpreted incorrectly.The MMA fighter is a special breed. He is involved in a sport that predicates itself on one individual dominating another.So of course they are constantly going to see how they stack up against any other system.
Kravists can also want to test themselves as well. Yet our ring does not exsist so the opportunities for “showing what you got” are limited. I laugh at the notion that sparring is a measuring tool for ones ability to defend himself. It’ not! Sparring has its place in Krav but it is not like a real fight.
Sparring is a game. It’s fun and it should be approached as such. The MMA fighter should place much more value on sparring than the Kravists. There is a direct correlation between sparring and ring performance in the MMA world. However there is very little correlation between sparring and the Kravists world.
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
I don’t think one is generally better or tougher than the other. It depends on what you’re using it for.
I wouldn’t buy a Porsche 911 Turbo to haul bedroom furniture, wood, gravel etc. Just like I wouldn’t buy a V8 Ford Truck to go racing on a track vs. Porsches.
MMA has rules, but does require it’s fighters to know various kinds of martial arts. Krav is a no nonsense self defense based on a mixture of martial arts and other forms. (I know I’m stating the obvious)
I don’t think one is better than the other. You can’t take Krav into the octagon, you’d get disqualified in a few seconds after a few groin strikes. ha ha!!! I also don’t think if a thug tries to mess with you in a bar or alleyway with a gun, and you kick him for points Tae Kwan Do style and hang around for a Jiu Jitsu Kimora is very effective either.
Sounds like a few meatheads with egos, or insecurity issues hate on Krav without knowing what Krav is.Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
I trained Krav for years, and because I could not find anywhere to train Krav in Mooresville, NC, I decided to switch to MMA.
The guys in my gym are very interested in my Krav experience. They often asked about gun defense, fighting multiple opponents, or attacks that, in the octagon, would not be allowed. These are things that get no exposure in MMA classes.
MMA and Krav are simply not equals. They concentrate on a different skill set, and are very tough to compare. I enjoy them both.
By the way, if there is a good thread on MMA fighters using KM, and how to integrate the two, please give me a link. I’m getting ready for my first MMA fight with a lot of Krav experience, and I’m interested in how others have combined the two. The search engine ignores three letter words, which in this case kind of kills being able to search for “Krav BJJ” or “Krav MMA”. Doh!
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