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Re: Gun Defense – Help
Totally forgot to mention – there IS a body defense but the hand does 90-95%. Lastly to rely only on moving your body, you would need to move it the entire distance out of the way all the while the gunman can adjust his aim to compensate. If you move the barrel of the gun only few inches you move the line of fire completely off you and much faster than dodging (think trig and triangles an inch near the point translates into a much greater motion the farther you get to the base) plus they are unable to reacquire the target because your hand prevents this.
Hope this helps
Re: Gun Defense – Help
Totally forgot to mention – there IS a body defense but the hand does 90-95%. Lastly to rely only on moving your body, you would need to move it the entire distance out of the way all the while the gunman can adjust his aim to compensate. If you move the barrel of the gun only few inches you move the line of fire completely off you and much faster than dodging (think trig and triangles an inch near the point translates into a much greater motion the farther you get to the base) plus they are unable to reacquire the target because your hand prevents this.
Hope this helps
Re: Gun Defense – Help
1. You are not racing a 1inch trigger pull. That’s insane and you will never even come close to winning that race. What you are racing is gunman’s realization that he needs to pull the trigger. The human eye/brain picks up on two things very well – lateral motion and changes in light. If you hand approaches the weapon from underneath, it helps hides the movement. If you attempt to dodge with your body, you are creating 1. a very large, easily detectable motion (huge cue to fire) and 2. you are moving a very heavy mass (your whole body) as opposed to moving a much lighter, faster hand (the old saying the hand is quicker than the eye) 3. to move your body out of the way requires a large motion that upsets your balance and your ability to burst forward, attack and control the gun.
2. a. the position of the arm applies weight to the weapon – that’s what controls it. You are unable to control the gun effectively with a bent arm because you cannot apply your weight – go down into a half pushup position and see how long you last as opposed to the top of a pushup. It also bends the attackers arm which takes away some of the strength of the attacker
b. most peoples natural reaction when you try to take something from that they want is to pull their hand back first, stepping will be secondary. Your weight is always driving forward. You should be driving the attacker backwards so you are moving faster forward than they are backward
c. the weight is applied to the end of the muzzle (the dangerous part) so with your weight driving forward, through the barrel, and their arm compromised for position, you should have superior leverage if even for the immediate moment3. Try to focus on a weapon retention while you are being hit with an unexpected punch to the face. The attacker is not ready for a fight. They have all the power in their hand and the last thing they expect is that. Ask any fighter, the punch you don’t see/expect is the one that knocks you out. If the defender touches the gun, that’s all the gunman is thinking of, now they get hit in the face and they have to start the OODA loop again – by that time you should be taking it away (from either a stunned attacker or an unconscious one)
4. Video would play properly, so I’m guessing it is not a good angle or explained poorly. The take away starts with a rotation of the gun about the bore axis, this applies a lot of pressure/pain to the finger and can even break it. Most often, the pain makes the attacker let go but breaks down their grip anyway. Then you are ripping the gun to your right hip with the barrel staying at 90 degrees to your body (staying out of the line of fire.)
Added – this grip cause a malfunction of the weapon – they only get one shot and then the have to clear it before you can fire another and no – it does not blow your off, and yes, I have done it with a live 45 and 9mm
I have done this with live airsoft type pistols (operate like a real glock) with paintballs under stress, exhausted, injured, with cooperative gunmen and those who wanted to fight and try and deliberately screw me. It works. I also have a file cabinet of letters form Law Enforcement Officers and Military who have tried these techniques (some of them admitting to very poor execution because of stress, errors, environment etc.) and have thanked us because it saved their lives or their partners lives.
I know our gun defenses work. In the end, you are not going to convince anybody over a forum. No video, no matter how thorough will replace training with an instructor. The proof is in the pudding. They really want to understand – they need to come over and train.
Re: Your held behind while he threatens person in front
The defense is easier by not having to reach back and you have eyes on the weapon. Its harder because the gunman has a better chance to see your hand motions. Other than those, it is exactly the same as the hostage technique.
Re: 360 defense vs overhead stab, wrapping vs control of stabbing hand
No it is not almost impossible. I train multiple attacks almost exclusively after the second time they see it. If you aren’t training multiple stabs you aren’t training.
My argument with that training is this – what if you can’t run/leave. What if you have to fight? Multiple attackers? What then?
Try it with a real punch and drive through the target (not chasing the knife.) It works pretty damn well.
Shock knives – Woot Woot!!
Re: 360 defense vs overhead stab, wrapping vs control of stabbing hand
Good answer….. good answer. I’ll be watching you.
I haven’t had a problem controlling the arm as long as I’m not chasing it but I’ll have to give it a try.
Re: 360 defense vs overhead stab, wrapping vs control of stabbing hand
So the test is , if you’re late or limited in movement. Then what?
Re: 360 defense vs overhead stab, wrapping vs control of stabbing hand
D,
How are you getting to a wrapping position?Re: CONGRATULATIONS to the 2010 class of Black Belts!!
Christian,
I wanted to wear distinct shoes so when the “testies” were down there on the floor, they knew who put them there. 🙂
Congratulations to all. You did a great job and showed tremendous heart. – I am pleased.
Re: Basic Strikes not fast enough the Krav way?
I have always taught it similar to Bas for exactly the same reasons Oneness said. The pivot is usually taught so people can learn to shift their weight but you CAN pivot the foot and not generate power at all. It is a teaching tool, nothing more.
Krav does not exclude punching like that. It’s open so you find what works best for you but keeps you safe in the process.
Re: Avoidings hooks and Jabs
You, my little keg of dynamite, are awesome.
Wait… all of what i did last course but shorter??? Oh, that’s going to cause my head to pop, no rear naked choke needed.
Re: Avoidings hooks and Jabs
Jeremy, I did get him a coffee. That’s why I got a break.
Oneness, I can’t wait. I only get 4 days off at a time now. Not quite enough for a full week of Bas.
