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Legitimacy (e.g. lineage, certifications, etc) of a school or instructor should be clear and easily checked/verified.
BJJ & Krav is a pretty good blend.
quote brandx:Also do you think adding some BJJ would be a waste of time considering you technically shouldn’t go on the ground in a street fight.By that logic, it could be argued that Krav would be a waste of time because you’re not supposed to get mugged or be assaulted for no reason either… 😉
I recommend getting as much (good) training in as many different things as possible – that being said, you have to watch out for Hick’s Law and if you have tools that are supposed to be sharp, you need to make sure they Are sharp and they Stay sharp!
I think Krav is a great beginning but typically what I say is if you want to learn boxing, go to a boxing gym; kick boxing/muay thai, a kick boxing/muay thai gym; grappling, a grappling gym; MMA, an MMA gym; etc. All else being equal, I would not want to learn anything other than Krav from an instructor who has only trained Krav. Now, that being said, many KMWW instructors like CJ’s Dad crosstrain in other arts/styles and can give you excellent instruction in other things too.
Hey SP, just wanted to wish you all the best on your road back to full recovery! I’m sorry to hear about all the crap you’ve been experiencing! If it makes you feel any better, you’re not alone – I’ve been dealing with a bunch of crap sort of similar to yours too lol At least you can choose to train somewhere else/with someone else if you really want to! 🙂 Mine’s work related so I don’t have as much choice/leeway. 🙁 Hopefully, for me, if I can concentrate on the half-full part of my glass and not let things out of my control bother me as much, maybe I can slow the rate of new gray hairs growing and prevent the ulcers! lol
Re: Need some feedback before my first class please.
Hey Carlo,
Sounds like you may be too gung ho for your own good! thumbsup I’m no doctor or therapist but I think less weight and more reps with good form would be better, especially if you’re still regaining your pre-injury range of motion/strength… Maybe doing more range of motion/stretching exercises than weight or load bearing for now, especially if like me you elected Not to have surgery and are trying to make the best of it (even though the injuries won’t heal on their own).
I used body blades in physical therapy too. Some of those elastic bands can be useful as well – dunno if you have a Big 5 sporting good store near you but they sell various weights of rubber tubing with handles and door anchors and stuff…
Before you book him for one on one, you could look into the possibility of just sitting off to the side and watching a few of the classes that you would normally be attending – see what kinds of activities they do, how he teaches, and how your fellow students are as training partners. My impression is that many Krav students are more like normal people (as opposed to some of the knuckle dragging, testosterone dripping meathead out to prove something kinds of students you sometimes find at other martial arts schools/dojos/gyms).
All of us who didn’t slip through the cracks feel the same way – none of us want to us deadly force but we know that sometimes we have to in order to protect ourselves and others and we shouldn’t hesitate when it’s reasonable to do so…
Best of luck healing up and in your search for good training!
Re: Need some feedback before my first class please.
There can be some great MA/MMA training available to you from a variety of sources.
The reason I mention privates is because, as an instructor, I know that I’m better suited at providing custom tailored training for a particular student than 99.9999% (yes, I’m making that number up) of his/her fellow students, who may not know the material as well, not have the same abilities and control, not be able to teach to a particular person’s wants/needs/learning style/limitations, or not recognize danger signs or safety concerns, etc.
I can’t remember the last time I injured someone while directly training him/her (knocking on my head). OTOH, I’ve had quite a few injuries occur when students are training with each other. E.g. just yesterday, in a class of 84 bodies, I had one mild concussion, one tweaked back/sciatic, and one strained neck (final assessment still pending). I know for sure that if I had been paired with each of those students, training those drills/techniques with them at the times of occurrence, chances are the injuries would never have happened.
How much stress will your shoulder be put through and whether or not it will affect you are another couple of YMMV questions. I don’t know what is comfortable or dangerous for your shoulder(s) – what kinds of motions, what kinds of loads/pressures, what kinds of exertions, etc. I don’t know what your particular krav school trains on a regular or nightly basis – are you doing stand up or ground, are you sprawling or doing pushups, are you punching/elbowing, are you doing control holds/joint manipulations, are you grappling, etc.
As far as baseball goes, you would also be using your shoulders for running, batting, catching, throwing, etc – not only pitching. Someone’s shoulder condition may not allow pitching but other baseball activities. Someone’s shoulder condition may not allow any baseball movements/motions at all…
“awkward” is a relative term – awkward could be due to for example not having done something before, doing something similar but in a slightly different way, or doing something that bumps up against ones limitations (e.g. strength, flexibility, coordination, etc)
Hopefully, your instructor will be able to work something out for you, alternative techniques, modified curriculum, allowance of your limitations or recognition of your concerns, pairing with good training partners, etc.
If you are that concerned that MA/MMA training is too much for your shoulder(s), you may want to reconsider working out in the field (are you light duty or full duty?). As you know, as much as a particular piece of dirt may have it coming, we don’t always have a green light to use deadly force, even if we are working with a bum [insert your particular body part here]…
Re: Does KM have a standerdized curriculum?
IMO, Krav is a great place to start. I don’t think it’s got all the answers but I’m very comfortable teaching it to newbies.
YMMV when it comes to training – ANY style/system. Every place you go will have different instructors and training partners. Some places will be VERY VERY similar but it’s rare that you’ll find even two instructors at the same school who teach EXACTLY the same.
It doesn’t have to be pretty to be effective. When it’s real, it’s often not as pretty as you practiced.
One of the hardest things for newbies to figure out or recognize is realistic training/techniques (separating the good stuff from the crap) and sometimes good instructors from crap as well. Watch out for the “my way is the best way” or “my way is the only way”.
RE: standard curriculum, YMMV. Depends on what/whom you’re comparing. Krav Maga is practiced all over the world by lots of different people – different organizations, different instructors/students, styles of teaching/training, different techniques, etc. Curriculum as far as what kinds of scenarios or situations or attacks/dangers are being addressed through training are probably going to be pretty similar. What is being taught to respond to those threats and How it’s being trained may vary a lot. Principles should be pretty similar, specific moves/techniques may not be.
IMO, Krav Maga is supposed to develop your reactions/responses/reflexes for WSHTF BUT whether or not a particular school or instructor actually does it may depend…
Re: Does KM have a standerdized curriculum?
IMO, Krav is a great place to start. I don’t think it’s got all the answers but I’m very comfortable teaching it to newbies.
YMMV when it comes to training – ANY style/system. Every place you go will have different instructors and training partners. Some places will be VERY VERY similar but it’s rare that you’ll find even two instructors at the same school teach EXACTLY the same.
It doesn’t have to be pretty to be effective. When it’s real, it’s often not as pretty as you practiced.
One of the hardest things for newbies to figure out or recognize is realistic training/techniques (separating the good stuff from the crap) and sometimes good instructors from crap as well. Watch out for the “my way is the best way” or “my way is the only way”.
RE: standard curriculum, YMMV. Depends on what/whom you’re comparing. Krav Maga is practiced all over the world by lots of different people – different organizations, different instructors/students, styles of teaching/training, different techniques, etc. Curriculum as far as what kinds of scenarios or situations or attacks/dangers are being addressed through training are probably going to be pretty similar. What is being taught to respond to those threats and How it’s being trained may vary a lot. Principles should be pretty similar, specific moves/techniques may not be.
IMO, Krav Maga is supposed to develop your reactions/responses/reflexes for WSHTF BUT whether or not a particular school or instructor actually does it may depend…
Re: Need some feedback before my first class please.
Able to post but takes “forever” to get past website glitches… 🙁
Re: Need some feedback before my first class please.
1. No way to tell. I doubt anyone here knows you, your conditions, your abilities, your restrictions, what is being taught at your school, how it’s being taught, whom you’re training with, ETC. That goes for any other martial art, any other school, any other physical activity you’re thinking about.
2. Possibly. I doubt anyone here knows what your situation is, what things are being done, what things you would need to modify, how you will need to modify them, if those modifications are ok with your school/instructor, ETC.
3. Depends. I doubt anyone here knows who your instructor is, how he/she is as a person or instructor, his/her ground rules or expectations, who your classmates are, how they are as people/training partners, their expectations, ETC.
Not to be an ahole but look at what you’re asking and look at whom you’re asking. Do you really expect anyone here to be able to provide more than a “maybe” to any of your questions?
Here are a few pesos:
You can build a LOT of functional strength just from bodyweight exercises.
IMO, a physical therapist or orthopedic specialist will be better to ask about your shoulders than a chiropractor. And yes, I have shoulder tears too (not as bad as yours but enough to put me light duty for a long time).
IME, there is NO way to make training any practical martial art 100% completely safe!
If you have to deal with unhappy, very possibly assaultive sh1theads, do you really think “not training” is recommendable???
The “safest” way to train may be to find a legit/skilled instructor and work privates (one on one or two on one) with him/her within your limitations/restrictions.
Re: Slow Progress
quote ship:Well, I’ve been going to KV for about one month now, either 2 or 3 times a week. I enjoy it and like the intense cardio workout from the warmups. However, it seems like I am making very slow progress and I keep getting told I’m not doing things correctly. I am a book smart guy but not the most coordinated. I keep considering quitting as sometimes the classes can get somewhat humiliating. However, I don’t want to give into that and do enjoy the training. I’m hoping that repetition will help and more progress will be made. Any tips?Repetitions is the key to just about everything I think. That being said, you have to make sure that you’re repping correctly and periodically test how well the techniques are taking root with you.
Who is telling you that you’re not doing things correctly? Instructor, fellow student, bystander? What aren’t you doing correctly? I’m Assuming that someone who takes it upon him/herself to tell you that you’re doing it wrong would have the decency/etiquette/experience to also tell you How you’re doing it wrong, Why what you’re doing is wrong, and How to do it better (and Why).
Re: What techniques are/should be taught to newbies?
quote broken:I signed up for a package of lessons, and had absolutely no experience. In my first class, we were learning how to get away from someone choking us from behind. At the end of the class, there was a speed drill where we got in random groups of 4 and took turns flipping each other to get out of the choke hold. When I was flipped, I landed wrong and it snapped one of my vertebrae in two. From everything I’ve read online, being flipped is not an appropriate first-class activity. Am I wrong, or was this irresponsible of the instructors?Not enough info IMO. Could be irresponsible. Could be freak accident. Could be pre-existing exacerbated by reasonable activity. Etc.
Hope you heal up quickly and completely!
Re: Test without carbs
quote stephanie56:I have my level one test coming up and I am only allowed minimal carbohydrates for medical reasons right now – I know not exactly an ideal scenario. Luckily the worst of the switch is over after 4 weeks but nevertheless I am very worried how I can make it through that test without carbs/sugar. Does anybody have any advice or any ideas?My 2 pesos: IMO, “minimal carbohydrates for medical reasons” doesn’t give enough info for conjecture/conclusion – even if one of us on here reading your post knows exactly what your level one test will consist of AND is a legit doctor, he/she knows nothing about you, your medical condition(s), and how “ready” you are for the test, and exactly what you mean when you say “minimal carbohydrates” (what’s “minimal”?).
“make it through the test without carbs/sugar” suggests to me ZERO carbs/sugar which basically means to me that the only thing you can have is Water – is that what you mean to say? If so, what about afterwards? How are you going to replenish everything you use/burn during the test (or any physical activity for that matter)?
I would strongly recommend talking to the health care professional who is currently treating you and run things by him/her.
