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Nothing wrong with the \”judged by 12\” comment…It isn’t an equivalent to shoot first, ask later…I interpret it more as don’t let yourself get killed thinking about possible ramifications of your actions in the face of a threat.
In Colorado, for the most part, you would get arrested for the hypothetical stabbing, but more than likely just as a formality. You would be released immediately and charges would more than likely not be filed (as long as the knife was legal)…That would, of course, be dependant on being able to verify your stabbing was, in fact, self-defense.
Also, on a side note, we had a guy that fired 13 rounds into a car driving toward him, striking the front (as he was on the move) and then along the driver’s side door…The weapon was a Glock 22, the ammo was Federal Tactical HP…NOT A SINGLE ROUND PENETRATED THE CAR DOOR!!! Reminding us all that caliber is always secondary to shot placement…
Does anyone know the possibility of tearing the schapholunate ligament from palm heel strikes?
I just tore mine and I know the tear is usually caused from a similar position.
I thought this was about tattoos….How did it turn into a religious debate?
I’ll tell ya what, I’d much rather have a thread posting pics of peoples Krav tats. I have to say that threads like this, and KM in general, at times have a tendency to alienate non-jews…
Gets frustrating at times…
I have been toying with the idea of getting a KM tat…I became a Force Training Division instructor, and have been doing it for over a year…
I get my tattoos for the significance it has for me…I wouldn’t worry about numerology or burial…I like the Krav mindset and ethos and the positive impact it had on my life (healthier lifestyle, made me quit smoking)…
Correct, the Make my day law is specific to a home. What I am saying, however, is that an appropriate level of force is justified anywhere, if you feel that your life or the life of another is endangered. It has been upheld that no one has a \”duty to retreat\”, meaning, you do not have to run away to avoid a conflict if you are being threatened. You can defend yourself, as long as the level of force used is appropriate.
The Make my Day law is actually more of an affirmative defense to murder than anything else. You will still be arrested and charged, the trial will be where the determination of justification happens for the most part (although the DA’s office or, in the rarest of cases the police department, may decline charges).
Siayn- No, there is no difference. If you are inside of your home, protected for all intents, you are not endangered. If you begin firing rounds from your residence then that could constitute premeditation. If you ran out to confront them then the guidelines above count. But, in almost every instance, it is illegal to use lethal force to protect property (riots and nuclear missle silos notwithstanding).
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quote \”Siayn\:If you are lucky enough to live in a state like Colorado, and all of this is happening on your own private property, then the rules completely change. If you see someone breaking into your car, and it is sitting in your driveway, you could open up your second story window and pop a few bullets in them – and the law is completely on your side even though you were in no real danger. Colorado has a law nicknamed the \”Make my day\” law. It basically states that if someone is doing something illegal on your property, and you did not invite them onto your property, you can pretty much do whatever you want to them and not be held responsible.This law was written in response to all of the criminals who started suing when they slipped on the ice trying to steal your car, or were shot by a home-owner when breaking into your house. It’s a good law.
Actually, that isn’t true. There does have to be a threat to you in order to invoke the make my day law. You can only do so if you are afraid of death or serious bodily injury to you or another. This is most often applied to a home, but, in reality, you have no \”duty yo retreat\” anywhere.
If you were to use deadly force to prevent a property crime and there was no threat to health or life, you would be arrested for some degree of murder, with a good possibility of first degree charges. Not trying to be a dick, but the above scenario is, in fact, inaccurate.
And yes I’m in Colorado, and yes, I’m in law enforcement.
I train in Broomfield and have never trained down there, however, I haven’t heard good things. I believe the Aurora location is good to go, but my instructor, for whatever reason, is very hesitant to recommend the Highlands Ranch guy.
Take it for what it’s worth…It’s never good to have to defend yourself from a bad reputation…
Their job, first and foremost, was not to rescue the baby, but to contain and stop the threat.
My understanding of the encounter with the SWAT team was not that they entered the building \”spraying and praying\” but that as they were preparing to enter the suspect initiated an assault wounding one SWAT officer. They had no choice but to stop the threat.
My PD had an officer who killed someone Saturday night. He was in a foot pursuit and the suspect stopped, turned and attacked with a knife. The officer deflected the blade with his forearm, getting cut, and fired one round striking the suspect in the chest. The suspect expired at the hospital. What was the aftermath? The suspect’s wife was on the news asking, \”Why did they have to shoot him? They’ve always tazed him before. They didn’t have to kill him.\”
Moral of the story, it’s always easy to blame and critique police officers. It is absolutely phenominal how often I hear ignorant criticisms of police, tactics, blah blah blah. Even this site is rife with ignorance of law enforcement. To be blunt, learn what it is like to be an officer, put your ass on the line like so many people do by becoming an officer (or even a reserve), or shut the hell up.
Do officers make mistakes? Of course. But, do not talk about tactics or offer criticisms unless you can explain the PPCT force continuum from top to bottom.
I’ll get off my soapbox now…
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quote \”Leftie79\:Couldn’t the police have shot the guy in the leg and then he would have gone down and then grabbed the baby?You have got to be kidding me…
Familiarize yourself with firearms, tactics and liability before making a statement as ridiculous as this…
I’m in Denver also(I train in Broomfield) and as of yesterday finished and was certified as a Force Training Division Instructor. The class was in Boulder County and was also taught by Londale Theus, assisted by the DPD staff.
DPD, from all accounts, has been VERY enthusiastic with the transition to KM and more and more Colorado PDs seem to be following suit (Boulder County, Englewood, Lakewood, Glendale, Golden)…It’s effectiveness speaks for itself.
On a side note, if you ever get an opportunity to train with Londale Theus, I strongly recommend that you do. The week long course was fantastic and Londale is an outstanding instructor who brings nothing but passion and enthusiasm to the classroom.
I train in Broomfield, CO with James and Shannon Hiromasa. Completely satisfied with both of them as instructors and with the school as a whole.
I went to the academy with a guy who sprayed it on his burritos…Like mentioned above, it’s just peppers and some other non-flammable liquid used as a propellant (alot of brands went to lemon juice).
