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I just got back from a class that was offered as Krav Maga, and I guess I’m not sure if what we did tonight is typical or if they are just trying to capitalize on the name. We did a lot of cardio and core excercises, push ups, etc. We practiced shooting in and taking down, which I thought was strange from everything that I’ve read about Krav. We fired combos into a pad, we did round kicks into a pad, and did knees as well. It really felt more like a fitness class than a self defense class. I guess I was expecting some scenario type stuff where we would drill the defenses but that never happened.
When I first talked to one of the instructors he told me they were an IKMF affiliate, then I saw them listed on this site as a KMWW affiliate. When I asked about this I didn’t get a good answer at all, so I’m a little skeptical at this point. Matter of fact the guy really didn’t know what I was talking about which really made me question the validity of what they are teaching.
I honestly believe after this class I would be better off getting a training partner and working out of the book, which is not what I want to do at all.:dunno:
Re: What is usually taught in a basic level 1 class?
If you have the book, the Yellow Belt criteria is what should be taught in a Level 1 class. Depending on the school you are attending it’s all a matter of what they teach. Having someone who can correct you is always going to be better than just reading it out of a book.
Most of the things you mentions in your email, as far as training, probably wouldn’t be covered in a Level 1 class. You would do alot of cardion though. They call this form of torture “conditioning”.thumbsup
Most of the schools in Florida are ATA schools. If this is the case you can search ATA here and maybe get some answers.
Re: What is usually taught in a basic level 1 class?
Post the name of the school or e-mail it to me, if you would prefer that, please.
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Hello,
What school are you at in FL? I am at the Gainesville school and we do similar workouts. Normally we do a 15 min warmup and then 15-20 min. of combatives into the pads. The next 20 min are spent working on a drills (groundfighting, knife defense, 360 defense, etc)
and then a review followed by a burnout drill.My school is an ATA school but the instructor seems to be good.
I saw your username and wondered if you where a Gainesville person as well.
Re: What is usually taught in a basic level 1 class?
in my first class we worked on punches, low front kicks, and front standing chokes,plus warm ups, after 6 month’s we have just started ground work (from the back) we have never worked on takedowns, after working on our back’s for 10 to 15 min’s the instructor asked one question, “what does this teach you about ground fighting” the answer is that you dont want to do it!
i’m no expert but the school sound fishy to me
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I did forget to mention that we did takedowns one day to learn how to defend against them by sprawling. The goal was not to learn the takedown but how to avoid being takendown and how to get back up quickly. We also worked from the sprawl to rear naked choke but it was hammered in to us that we want to stand as fast as possible.
Re: What is usually taught in a basic level 1 class?
Typical Krav classes are pretty heavy on cardio. Alot of people when they first start tend of view it as a cardio class because fighting taxes your cardio system.
My main concern with it is that they are teaching level 1 students shooting in for take downs. There is nothing in the level 1 criteria that has takendowns in it.
Infact…. and I could be wrong and need to look @ my book but there is no takedown teaching at all. Thats a MMA move for the most part. Krav teaches to disable and get the hell out of the way. My worst nightmare is going to the ground, why would I shoot for it?
I would ask for credentials on the school and instructor before going on.
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Occasionally I teach basic takedowns in level 1, but that’s only so I can teach the sprawl defense and also to give a little context to the sprawl exercise during warm-ups. The sprawl defense is not really a level 1 technique, but with the prevalance of MMA training, I think it’s a pretty good thing to know early on. JMO. It also works well as a lead in to fall breaks and ground work.
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My main concern is that I want to be learning the real Krav system. I don’t want to join a gym only to find out later that I’m not getting what I came for. If what I did was a typical class then great, but I just wanted to hear from some of you about my experience. I’m going to buy the Krav Book by Imi, and the one by Levine this friday so I will be able to know whats going on.
Happyloaf, I’m about two hours south of you. GO GATORS!!
I really don’t want to post the name of the school, the people there were really nice. My intention in this thread was to make sure or see if what I did was the status quo..Re: What is usually taught in a basic level 1 class?
I’m not trying to Hijack this thread and it seems somewhat related, don’t like wasting new threads. I am couple weeks into Krav only and saw this re-run of HMW History and got me in some doubt. I know Krav is a mix of many useful martial arts moves but never heard any came from Pankration, I searched around the net for Krav moves and came out empty, i know the instructor is heavy into wrestling. It may be that this is also a Judo or similar BJJ move, not familiar with either.
This video shows a move at 1:34min that was 99.5% exactly what we where thought in a grappling session even from the exact same clinch position. Is this an authentic Krav system move?
http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Generic&content_type_id=55004&display_order=3&sub_display_order=8&mini_id=54986Re: What is usually taught in a basic level 1 class?
quote Jeremy Stafford:The sprawl defense is not really a level 1 technique, but with the prevalance of MMA training, I think it’s a pretty good thing to know early on.I don’t disagree that level one is a good place to introduce the sprawl, my opposition was what happens after that. I was able to successfully shoot, but the training dictated that I allow this person to then crossface me, and drop onto my back forcing me to the ground. The guy never let go of my head as he came back and down with his weight. I heard everything in my neck “pop” right before I blacked out momentarily.
I came away from that class thinking maybe I don’t want level one students wrenching on my neck. I’m not entirely convinced their enthusiasm for the training takes into consideration that I’m not really the bad guy or that breaking my neck is counter productive to my future goals.
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quote vwr32:I don’t disagree that level one is a good place to introduce the sprawl, my opposition was what happens after that. I was able to successfully shoot, but the training dictated that I allow this person to then crossface me, and drop onto my back forcing me to the ground. The guy never let go of my head as he came back and down with his weight. I heard everything in my neck “pop” right before I blacked out momentarily.I came away from that class thinking maybe I don’t want level one students wrenching on my neck. I’m not entirely convinced their enthusiasm for the training takes into consideration that I’m not really the bad guy or that breaking my neck is counter productive to my future goals.
Hope you’re feeling better…..I don’t think that all of the danger can be eliminated, but it can be mitigated. I’ve found that a long, slow lead in, followed by careful supervision involving at least two additional assistant instructors is helpful. Definitely not full-proof though!
Re: What is usually taught in a basic level 1 class?
quote Jeremy Stafford:Hope you’re feeling better…..I don’t think that all of the danger can be eliminated, but it can be mitigated. I’ve found that a long, slow lead in, followed by careful supervision involving at least two additional assistant instructors is helpful. Definitely not full-proof though!Oh yeah, I feel better. thumbsup
I understand there’s always going to be some danger in the training we do, that’s just par for the course. When I look at the lvl 1 curriculum, the exercises are limited to fairly basic movements involving. Some ppl in that level can barely control where their punches or kicks land… asking them to then grab each others head and fall backwards with it might be pushing the envelope on the safety aspect imo (and experience).
Sprawl? All day long. Cross facing and breaking a takedown attempt? Maybe a bit advanced for level one students with no prior experience in working with a partner.
Just my opinion.
Re: What is usually taught in a basic level 1 class?
quote vwr32:When I look at the lvl 1 curriculum, the exercises are limited to fairly basic movements involving.oops, forgot the rest of the thought lol. Sorry, wife was rushing me.
…involving fairly simple techniques with an emphasis on cardio, proper stance, and correct form, etc.
If we’re going to look at where the sprawl would be in the book (if it hadn’t been left out accidentally), I’m guessing it would accompany the “simple takedown” found in blue belt material? (page 276) I’m not questioning the importance of sprawling, nor the introduction of it at level one. My concern is that not everyone at level one has past experience in working with others and the potential for serious injury greatly exceeds the benefits of those who try to run before they can walk.
In my experience, how would it have helped if my neck had been broken for the instructor to come correct my partner after the injury? As important as the drills and exercises are, I can’t help but think there’s a reason some things show up in level one, and others aren’t introduced until later. It wasn’t the sprawl that caused the concern.. it was the crossfacing and defending against the simple takedown: advanced stuff being done by us noobs.
I’m definitely not attacking anyone’s instructing style, nor the system. Hopefully it isn’t being taken that way.
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quote vwr32:oops, forgot the rest of the thought lol. Sorry, wife was rushing me.…involving fairly simple techniques with an emphasis on cardio, proper stance, and correct form, etc.
If we’re going to look at where the sprawl would be in the book (if it hadn’t been left out accidentally), I’m guessing it would accompany the “simple takedown” found in blue belt material? (page 276) I’m not questioning the importance of sprawling, nor the introduction of it at level one. My concern is that not everyone at level one has past experience in working with others and the potential for serious injury greatly exceeds the benefits of those who try to run before they can walk.
In my experience, how would it have helped if my neck had been broken for the instructor to come correct my partner after the injury? As important as the drills and exercises are, I can’t help but think there’s a reason some things show up in level one, and others aren’t introduced until later. It wasn’t the sprawl that caused the concern.. it was the crossfacing and defending against the simple takedown: advanced stuff being done by us noobs.
Very true…..Although I don’t teach the cross face in level 1, I do remember that it was taught to me my first day of high school wrestling along with 20 or so other testosterone fueled pups, and we all managed to make it out alive. Again, I’m not discounting what you’re saying, I just think that it is more the manner in which it is taught, not the technique itself that can lead to injury.
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