360 Defense

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I apologize for my last post. I think we are just looking at two different situations and the context of how we teach 360. If you have room to move and evade then do it. If you dont and are late then like ryan said your hands move quicker, defend and counter attack and try and end the situation as quickly as possible.

I also feel that you should know how and where to punch correctly, thats why we train. Why throw a punch and hit someone in the shoulder when you could’ve aimed and hit them in the throat. To many people just swing for the fences and if you can see and hit the opening presented you will end the fight. It sounds like you did with one punch, correct?

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We had a murder here about two weeks ago. The victim died from one stab wound into his heart. I looked at that one inch stab wound and thought, “Man, if this guy had known the 360 defenses, he’d most likely still be here.”

Yeah, it’s that simple.

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I apologize for my last post. I think we are just looking at two different situations and the context of how we teach 360. If you have room to move and evade then do it. If you dont and are late then like ryan said your hands move quicker, defend and counter attack and try and end the situation as quickly as possible. o.k fair enough, but imo if you dont have room to move to then you want see it coming, this i my experience. you will by reflex stick a less importent part of your body infront of a importent part of your body but training to do so and using it in as a first defence i cant see the point if you can do higher percent techniques. i will apologize for my previous post aswell.

I also feel that you should know how and where to punch correctly, thats why we train. Why throw a punch and hit someone in the shoulder when you could’ve aimed and hit them in the throat. To many people just swing for the fences and if you can see and hit the opening presented you will end the fight. It sounds like you did with one punch, correct? my point was that a punch that does the job is important regardless of form, of course you the better the technique the higher your chances of success or, i wasnt suggesting that you dont need to train

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Well Blanker I will tell you that there is such a thing as a correct kick and punch. To say that there is no such thing is like saying there is no such thing as correct shooting technique, correct driving technique, while styles may be a little different, there is such a thing as incorrect in all of these. Without correct form everyone will begin breaking hands, wrists, and accuracy will be a joke, you will hyperextend your knees, elbows and begin defending yourself with all the skill of two little kids on the playground. Why open yourself up to continued attacks because you failed to make an accurate counterattack that hit the person in the arm? Why break your hand on the first counterattack because you either used incorrect form or your accuracy was so poor you punched them in the back of the head?
There is a correct way to do it and an incorrect way. Thatís why we instructors are hereÖ to teach this. While there is no such thing as a perfect punch or kick when being attacked and under stress, we do teach correct form so that when you are under stress and that 60% is all that comes out, it increases the likelihood that you wont get hurt from your own attacks. So I am not sure where your getting that statementÖ ? i explained my point on punching technique so i want go over it again but you bring up a very good point about under stress forgetting most of your training. in a fight you cant be thinking should a use the 360 defence of block or evade or perry the less techniques you know the more chance of using them effectively and as the 360% defence is a low % technique for the reasons i have already explained why train it? its better to have 1 technique that can be used in a thousand scenarios then try and have a thousand techniques for one scenario, this is the magor problem with martial arts thay try and deal with every possible event with a different technique which is fine if your a samuri and have been training 6 hours a day since you could walk but that just isnt possible in the modern world.

As for explaining to you WHY we teach and use 360 in a real situation- people here have told you the reasons and strategy behind using it. I think you prefer your way, and we prefer a way that makes sense, is proven to work, and will work for the vast majority of peopleñ the vast majority of the time and against multiple type of attacks. Do it or donítÖ but you may end up like this when you try to do your way against a knife.
i have been attacked by knifes and thats why im pressing my point. the 360 defence may work in a fight but so may standing arm locks spinning jumping kicks or flying submissions but the likely hoos is low. a point on knife defence i would like to make is dont think your not going to get stabbed the lad with the knife has the advantage dont let your training give you false confidence!

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Was the guy in the long sleeve grey shirt carrying a knife? Hard to tell. Looks like he discarded something behind him when the police came.

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I’m not sure what the video “proves”. I didn’t know anyone was arguing that you are likely to see the knife. Most KM instructors I know argue the opposite.

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I agree with Fred on this. I use the 360 defense because it works regardless if there is/isn’t a knife and whether or not I see it.

I have done 360 against an opponent in training not knowing if he had a knife or not. My first indication that he had a knife is when it fell from his hands once I did the 360…that’s the power of it. A 360 defense that is correctly done doesn’t “bend” or “buckle” under the attack. In fact, done properly the 360 hurts the attacker like you wouldn’t believe, as anyone who has done it at full speed can attest.