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So I have probably read through this book about 10 times so far. Anyway I’ve been working at a summer camp this summer and there is a Krav Maga specialist there from Israel and he has been teaching the campers a different way to do choke from the front. It is not a pluck; rather its simply a butterfly stroke movement that goes from your hips where your hands naturally lay to the chest and out like you would do when swimming. Any comments?
Not trying to be a smartass, but what makes him a Krav Maga specialist?
I’m not sure I understand the defense you are describing. Are the hands rising under the choke, or do they come on top like in the plucking defense?
To be honest I dont know what qualifies him as an expert, besides the fact that he has been sent from Israel for the sole purpose of teaching it.
The defense goes under the hands, kind of in between his two arms that are choking you, but closer to your chest. Youre basically saying \”World\” in sign language.In my experience, this defense (or at least the versions of it I know) works very well when the attacker’s arms are very straight. It is not so effective if the attacker’s elbows are bent down, or out to the side, and he is bearing down on you a bit.
In addition to what John said, which would be my main concern, I’d also add that the defense is less instinctive, and, in my opinion, not as strong. I believe people are strong using the motion required for the pluck, but not as strong using the motion you describe.
You also couldn’t get to the attacker’s thumbs (his weak spot) doing this motion, could you? Seems as though you would have a lot more momentum doing the pluck and you could defend closer to the thumbs.
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GiantkillerThis is an effective technique, I agree. I don’t prefer it myself (I’m slow on the uptake, and this requires a little more training) but it does the job!
John you actually explained this very well the other night. Tonight while working with my partner we were doing eyes closed and attackerís choice. I did a bent arm two handed choke from the front bearing down. As he opened his eyes he instinctively did the two handed pluck full speed. Guess what happened.. he pulled me into him and we butted heads.
Given my choice I feel most comfortable doing the choke from the front with a push defense. It clears the hands from the throat and loads you up for a #2 elbow. I know its not the correct defense if your in a passive static position, Iím just saying I feel the most comfortable doing it. After the elbow my hands right there to grab head/neck control and go directly into knee combativeís.
I could be wrong 🙂
Actually, I don’t think doing the choke with a push defense from a standing position would be considered incorrect. I remember we used to train it sometimes as an alternative, in case the pluck won’t work, because the attacker is too strong. It seems that the push defense is stronger and you are loaded up for combatives, however it is less instinctive, so most people, under sudden stress, would probably remember the pluck first, then maybe switch to the push defense if the pluck isn’t working.
When doing it from a standing position, I believe one should step back with the left, making sure the legs are shoulder width apart (if the leg is placed right behind the other one, the leverage won’t work as well), right hand up at the same time then make the turn as you would for the push. Of course one could also do right leg back, left hand up. Maybe John can show you if he teaches you tonight. Good luck by the way and have fun! 😀
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