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Loved this video…
http://www.totallyshocking.com/media/08272005_flying_knee.php
What to do to guys that are wrestlers that just want to take you to the ground.
NSFW – only because it is one of those sites with porn advertisement all around.
Didn’t see the video, but is that the same flying knee as at the last UFC? That one was pretty cool.
There’s been a few UFC fights I’ve seen that have ended like that, but never so fast and clean. Conversely, there’s a lot of fights where someone attempts that knee, and the wrestler suddenly has the guy hopping around on one leg (for a second or two before the takedown). Many people recommend sprawling when an opponent rushes because its less risky than attacking with the leg- but when it does work, its awesome.
What I like about that fight was that after the knee, most fighters would immediately be all over the guy on the ground, or would at least face the opponent with their guards up. He just casually drops his hands and walks in the other direction, sure that his opponent is down.Yeah, that was a good one. I also like the roundkick to the head by Tim Sylvia against Tra Teligman. Same result. Dropped him, he was out cold and they had to carry him out on a stretcher.
If UFC has taught us anything, its that these people are incredibly robust and resistant to breaking. The injuries I think that are more likely to do serious damage are ones where a guy is slammed onto his head or neck (there’s one with Caol Uno that looks like his neck snapped).
Randy Couture is a good example of why MMA is safer than boxing. Line him up next to any boxer of the same age and see who comes off as being washed up and punchy. Maybe have him do a debate with Evander Holyfield ( which would actually be really funny…. 😆 ). You just don’t take that repeated head trauma like you do in boxing.
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quote \”CLFMak\:If UFC has taught us anything, its that these people are incredibly robust and resistant to breaking. The injuries I think that are more likely to do serious damage are ones where a guy is slammed onto his head or neck (there’s one with Caol Uno that looks like his neck snapped).Agreed. The worst slam I’ve ever seen is Kevin Randleman vs. Fedor Emelianenko in Pride. Randleman powerbombed Fedor on his head so hard I thought Fedor was dead but he got up like nothing happened and destroyed Randleman. Fedor is truly the most amazing fighter in MMA today.
This is the most devastating slam I’ve ever seen in MMA.
http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/showprofile.php?Cat=0&User=38272&Number=15760441&Board=3&what=showflat&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1With more experience in striking arts, I attempt to avoid grappling situations because it scares the hell out of me. Competitive wrestlers are tough, can fight through pain and exhaustion. Not in a MMA or controlled situation but in a street fight, if I found myself on the ground with a wrestler/BJJ, I would try to do things that are illegal in competition and thus take them to a situation that is unfamiliar. Biting, pinching, scratching, hair pulling, punches and elbows to the groin, head butts, eye gouging are included in my ground fighting technique arsenal.
The whole dirty groundfighting thing won’t always work. If you don’t knowm how to grapple, you may end up exposing yourself to all sorts of joint locks and chokes while you try your dirty tactics. Its not enough to never train on the ground and then hope that the dirty fighting techniques will work for you.
I’m not saying that the dirtyground fighting will get me out of all situations. I’m saying that with limited experience in groundfighting ( for me,krav and a couple of years of judo as a kid), cheating is my best chance of surviving.
I’m certainly not going to out \”ground technique\” an experienced wrestler or BJJ practitioner.I don’t understand why many people always assume that a BJJ guy or wrestler will fight on the street with a ‘sport’ mentality. They know the difference between being in a fight and a competing in a gi-tournament for points. Don’t you think it’s possible, even probable that they can and probably will employ dirty tactics as well? (i.e. I think Ryan Gracie bit a guy’s ear off in a streetfight once) You don’t think they are aware of the dirty tactics you may attempt?
I train in both KM and BJJ (and love both btw). In all groundfighting positions I train, I’m always looking for opportunities to employ strikes, gouges, knees and even kicks. I also stay conscious of where I’d be vulnerable in a fighting situation. I wouldn’t attempt alot of ‘sport’ techniques on the street if it would expose me to being hit or put me in bad position if it fails. And if I took a dominant position on the ground in a fight, my goal would be to beat my opponent with strikes while maintaining control, rather than go for a submission and possibly lose that dominant position.
And while BJJ guys don’t spar using dirty tactics, does anybody actually use them in regular training? I spar alot, and have never seen anyone at my KM school use headbutts, elbow strikes, eye gouging or other dirty tactics while sparring (our sparring includes striking, clinching, takedowns, and groundwork, but no dirty fighting, for safety reasons of course…)
So if a wrestler/BJJ person would be in ‘unfamiliar’ territory because they don’t use dirty tactics in competition, then couldn’t you say the same for a KM person, since we don’t use these tactics when sparring?
I know that we are made aware of, and practice techniques with dirty tactics and drill them in KM, but it’s different applying that in a dynamic situation like sparring…(well, and it’s also tough with the boxing gloves on….)
btw, at my BJJ school, we also train in dirty fighting techniques (mostly stand up)…
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