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I think what Krav does best is the defense against standing chokes and holds. No other system really address these things. Also Krav has a good variety of strikes from Side to Back Elbows to Palm heel to the hammer fist. To the one and only Groin kicks!!!!
Krav has much weakness too. The ground fighting is extremely weak and most of the students in my class ( even higher levels) have very sloppy punches and kicks. I mean just awerful technique.
If you really want to learn proper punch and kick technque you need to cross train in Thai boxing or Boxing or Kickboxing.
Also if you fight somebody who can grapple you wont have a chance in the world unless you train in some BJJ. Krav wont cut it.
No system is better than breaking holds than Krav on your feet.Re: Strengths and weakness of KM
Just wanted to add a few more things. I am still a yellow level.
I think krav does a great job in giving you the much of the meat and potatoes in the first level. If you only stayed at yellow level and mastered the technqiue that would be very sufficient against anybody unless they are an MMA fighter.Most martial arts it takes years to learn the moves you want to learn. With KM you can start off right away with the good stuff like knees, elbows, palm and more. This was the main reason why I picked it.
I know krav wants to avoid the ground but in reality this is not always reality. If you end up on the ground with a grappler you will be in serious trouble.
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I think you assume and presume way too much…
In addition, how well or poorly an individual or group of people execute techniques or compete does not necessarily accurately portray the value or effectiveness of a particular technique or system/school…
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I believe that Krav’s strength is not how advanced the technique is, but the principles that define the system. Every technique in Krav is from another style of martial art. The defenses may be different, but only because they fall in line with Krav’s principles. The concepts of following the body’s instinctual reactions, defending and attacking simultaneously, and being able to perform the technique under stress.
I remember one of the classes I took that really sold me on the teachings of Krav. We went over all the basic chokes, from the front, side and rear. We learned the technique for each one, and worked them for a few reps each. We then did a stress/exhaustion drill where we started punching a tombstone pad and delivering groin kicks to a kick shield when bumped. After the first minute, one guy dropped his pad and would choke you from random directions, interrupting you from your punching/kicking. To my amazement, I was performing, at speed, and with decent efficiency, the techniques I had only learned earlier that night.
That is what I believe the true strength of Krav is. It is being put in that stressful situation in class, and being shown that your body will do what it has learned. It is the preparation for the stress you may encounter in a violent assault, so that instead of freezing, you’ll still be able to defend yourself.
The techniques themselves are designed to be basic and simple, because that is what you can remember and perform at a redline stress level.
I don’t need to be a master of BJJ to fight for my life on the ground. I need to have an understanding of how ground fighting works so I can avoid rookie mistakes, but I don’t need all sorts of fancy submissions to use while his friends kick me in the head.
As for weaknesses, I think they are somewhat moot, since Krav is an open system, learning and adapting from other styles that come along it’s path. For instance, many of the advanced ground fighting techniques seem to come from BJJ, which is a relatively new martial art. My school also has other instructors teach classes specifically tailored to ground fighting, as well as stand up.
However, I also am just a Level 2 student, but that is my take on the system.
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quote lions2011:I am still a yellow level.All the fighting systems you mentioned are sports oriented. Do those systems teach defenses against handguns and long guns, edged weapon threats and attacks, blunt weapon threats and attacks, blunt weapons against edged weapons, blunt weapons against blunt weapons, edged weapons against edged weapons, multiple attackers, third party protection situations, carjacking situations, home invasion situations, etc.???
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quote lions2011:Also if you fight somebody who can grapple you wont have a chance in the world unless you train in some BJJ. Krav wont cut it.How well to you grapple with thumbs in your eyes? Just wondering.
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I think self defense is punching people in the face, kicking them, throwing them. Punching, elbows, knees and kicks. I’d take intensity over technique in a true self defense situation.
I’ve grappled with exerts before and there is no doubt that under the right circumstances he can snap my arm in two…but in most cases I have the chance to bite a pound of flesh out of him before I get my arm broken…I just dont because that would probably be frowned upon.
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The strengths of Krav Maga is that anyone can use it in day to day life,and without any special weapons required.Your body is a weapon,and mind is a computer.It depends how effectively you can use both
The weakness of Krav maga lies in the same fact that no weapons are available.If we have to fight against 2-3 people,it can become a tad difficult situation to get out of.
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quote phlegmon27:How well to you grapple with thumbs in your eyes? Just wondering.just what i was gonna say….not to mention it’s hard to arm bar me when i have you balls in a death grip or i’m biting your face…i heard a great joke about this…”How do you turn a BJJ black belt into a Tkd yellow belt?”…”Punch him in the face”
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quote phlegmon27:How well to you grapple with thumbs in your eyes? Just wondering.I don’t agree.
If your opponent is a “good” grappler/wrestler/whatever, you probably won’t have a shot to gouge his eye, kick his groin, etc….
It’s always the same: Krav Maga is a generalist martial art, while boxing, grappling, etc…are specialist martial arts, in the extend that they only work an aspect of the fight.
It’s not magical: you can’t train in order to face a wide range of threats, including weapons, and train to face a world class competitor.And there’s not so much to do against a guy who is very good in his “field”…except working on your locks escapes and your strategy (e.g. not brawling with a world class grappler).
You don’t want to face a pro grappler, boxer, wrestler, kicker,etc… period. 😉Re: Strengths and weakness of KM
nkfr…i think many times people overestimate others and underestimate themselves….just b/c you are a world class grappler of wrestler doesn’t mean that i can’t or wouldn’t be able to, eye gouge, groin strike/manipulate, or bite/headbutt…these are things that regardless of your position in the fight you typically find yourself capable of executing..and if you think u will continue to set up that sweet bent arm bar after i crush your nuts, then i say lets demo this encounter..
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quote kylestyle913:nkfr…i think many times people overestimate others and underestimate themselves….just b/c you are a world class grappler of wrestler doesn’t mean that i can’t or wouldn’t be able to, eye gouge, groin strike/manipulate, or bite/headbutt…these are things that regardless of your position in the fight you typically find yourself capable of executing..and if you think u will continue to set up that sweet bent arm bar after i crush your nuts, then i say lets demo this encounter..And a lot of people overestimate and overate their training while underestimate others.
Don’t get me wrong, I am a kravist, and I train KM escapes and techniques.
I am a poor grappler and I can barely perform a juji gatame.
But what I can say for sure is that a great deal of kravist assume that a lot of techniques they train are magic, especially eye gouging and strikes to the groin.
It’s a fact that the strikes to the groin are probably the most overrated techniques in all the martial arts, while it’s sometimes quite inefficient (adrenaline, alcohol, etc…lower the pain quite much).
Same for the eye gouges, I remember a Pride fighter submitting his opponent after losing his eye.I am not saying that this strikes are inefficient against a grappler, in fact they would probably work on most of the grapplers.
My point is that there’s a good chance that they won’t work on a very grappler.Re: Strengths and weakness of KM
quote nkfr:And a lot of people overestimate and overate their training while underestimate others.
Don’t get me wrong, I am a kravist, and I train KM escapes and techniques.
I am a poor grappler and I can barely perform a juji gatame.
But what I can say for sure is that a great deal of kravist assume that a lot of techniques they train are magic, especially eye gouging and strikes to the groin.
It’s a fact that the strikes to the groin are probably the most overrated techniques in all the martial arts, while it’s sometimes quite inefficient (adrenaline, alcohol, etc…lower the pain quite much).
Same for the eye gouges, I remember a Pride fighter submitting his opponent after losing his eye.I am not saying that this strikes are inefficient against a grappler, in fact they would probably work on most of the grapplers.
My point is that there’s a good chance that they won’t work on a very grappler.i think maybe you misunderstood me…those techniques are not magic and there are obviously instances where they fail to achieve the desired response but that is why krav is great. when things like that happen you take you training and follow it.
ex. groin strike doesn’t work, transition to weapon of opportunity. Pens, rocks, sand in the eyes, biting…all these things are not magical but they make the attacker move from the attack mindset to a defensive mindset…even if that only allows you to go back to square 1 and start over with the groin strikes and continue to work.
that is the part of krav i love and identify with…
can you kick a drunk in the balls and have him keep fighting? yes.
can that same drunk get kicked in the balls over and over again while being racked in the face with eye gouges, headbutted, bit and then being stuck in the balls again? answer probably not..
that said i tend to lean toward the have a knife and deescalate the situation the best you can approach..i feel you are better prepared that way and if things go as described and you are on the ground with somebody trying to hurt you a nice little $15 folding knife can be your best friend in the worldRe: Strengths and weakness of KM
Yes against a top grappler your only chance is too go for the throat or eyes or groin. If you do not you will end up losing most of your body parts. However, a good grappler may also know these moves too and would be in a more dominate position to pull them off as well most likely. However you would have the advantage because they are more ingrained in your thinking .
The key here is to never fight anybody with really bad Calley Flower ear. Got it.Re: Strengths and weakness of KM
I think Krav is most deadly when you have a person who can also train in other arts like Muay Thai or boxing or Ground fighting. This greatly enhances Krav and makes the art far more effective.
I think if you have time and money to train in at least another art would be better suited.
Most people barely have time to train in a single martial arts just 2 hours a week due to work and family. So Krav would be the best choice then.
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