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Hello folks, I assume that female thights are stronger than males’, at least that is the common notion all over the internet. Their tights have more muscle mass by default, I assume. Although the US weight lifting champion is a man, so I assume that male tight have more potential.
I post my question here, because martial arts as sports has several rules and restrictions depending on the art itself, bjj, mma etc. The likelyhood that a professional wrestler fights dirty and violates the rules seems to me not a common occurence and you wouldn’t wanna ask a mugger to fight according to UFC rules, right? That would be pointless. rofl2
The internet is crowded with statements of braging chicks and guys who claim that a female headscissors would be inescapable but no substantial information is provided so I rather trust the expertise of professionals like you, who have experienced chokes.
It is quite clear to me that a hobby “wrestler” who looses against his wife in a headscissor submission would rather claim that an escape wasn’t possible than looked down upon and a chick who knocked out a substandard fighter – like her husband – would rather brag than put it in perspective. If something is inescapable that means to me that no skill level and no conceiveable technique could cancel a “submission.” Like this is the case AFAIK with a full choke like the sleeper grip or fully applied RNC. The headscissor choke is not a fullblown choke as far as I can see as a person interested in krav maga.
Just imagine a raging woman has managed to lock her leggs arround your neck and begins to choke your cartroid arterial.
As far i could grasp, there are techniques like an uppercut(?) or hookpunch in the side knee – breaking or harming the ligaments – and a punch in the stomach availabled to cancel or interrupt a headscissor. Prying of the ankles by fidging your hand between the gap right after the knees seems to be an option, too. I don’t know if it is possible to successfully punch the clitoris while inside a female headscissors and what of those aformentioned really works. Effectivity is required, right? I know that there are several factors to take into account like leg strength, tension, positioning etc. but please give me your assessment in that matter.
Re: Defense against a female head scissor choke (non athletic type)
quote MOWHAWK1982:Hello folks, I assume that female thights are stronger than males’, at least that is the common notion all over the internet. Their tights have more muscle mass by default, I assume. Although the US weight lifting champion is a man, so I assume that male tight have more potential.I post my question here, because martial arts as sports has several rules and restrictions depending on the art itself, bjj, mma etc. The likelyhood that a professional wrestler fights dirty and violates the rules seems to me not a common occurence and you wouldn’t wanna ask a mugger to fight according to UFC rules, right? That would be pointless. rofl2
The internet is crowded with statements of braging chicks and guys who claim that a female headscissors would be inescapable but no substantial information is provided so I rather trust the expertise of professionals like you, who have experienced chokes.
It is quite clear to me that a hobby “wrestler” who looses against his wife in a headscissor submission would rather claim that an escape wasn’t possible than looked down upon and a chick who knocked out a substandard fighter – like her husband – would rather brag than put it in perspective. If something is inescapable that means to me that no skill level and no conceiveable technique could cancel a “submission.” Like this is the case AFAIK with a full choke like the sleeper grip or fully applied RNC. The headscissor choke is not a fullblown choke as far as I can see as a person interested in krav maga.
Just imagine a raging woman has managed to lock her leggs arround your neck and begins to choke your cartroid arterial.
As far i could grasp, there are techniques like an uppercut(?) or hookpunch in the side knee – breaking or harming the ligaments – and a punch in the stomach availabled to cancel or interrupt a headscissor. Prying of the ankles by fidging your hand between the gap right after the knees seems to be an option, too. I don’t know if it is possible to successfully punch the clitoris while inside a female headscissors and what of those aformentioned really works. Effectivity is required, right? I know that there are several factors to take into account like leg strength, tension, positioning etc. but please give me your assessment in that matter.
If I were in headscissors, either from a man or woman and I couldn’t get out, you know what I’d do? Bite, and bite HARD. It doesn’t take much to tilt your head even a little and grab a mouthful of thigh. Trust me, that’ll loosen their grip!
Re: Defense against a female head scissor choke (non athletic type)
Thanks. Do you have any experience with this method? How to sink in your head deep enough to bite without tapping out immediately, especially if they have streched their ligaments to the fullest extent?
My goal with the former post was either to confirm or debunk the statement of inescapability of a female headscissor choke – which might be stronger. Since most of the statements on the internet are either made by noobs – without much information – or in a setting where certain rules apply like e. g. the UFC rules or bbj rules. A technique which doesn’t work independend of leg strength wouldn’t be that reliable.
Re: Defense against a female head scissor choke (non athletic type)
quote MOWHAWK1982:Thanks. Do you have any experience with this method? How to sink in your head deep enough to bite without tapping out immediately, especially if they have streched their ligaments to the fullest extent?My goal with the former post was either to confirm or debunk the statement of inescapability of a female headscissor choke – which might be stronger. Since most of the statements on the internet are either made by noobs – without much information – or in a setting where certain rules apply like e. g. the UFC rules or bbj rules. A technique which doesn’t work independend of leg strength wouldn’t be that reliable.
My apologies, Hawk. I think I might’ve mis-read and misunderstood your post. To answer, I don’t have any REAL experience, unless you count wrestling around with ex-girlfriends. On point, whenever I DID get into a scissorhold, I will say that it’s damn hard to get out of without resorting to dirty tricks (like biting). I’ll also say that my ex’s weren’t really trying as hard as they could either, so there probably is some merit to a woman’s legs being stronger than a guy’s.
For the record, I did kinda “allow” myself to get caught! rofl2
Re: Defense against a female head scissor choke (non athletic type)
“Just imagine a raging woman has managed to lock her leggs arround your neck and begins to choke your cartroid arterial.”
Shes just gone to potentially deadly force, therefore i use a weapon.
If i do not have a weapon, i jam and twist a hand between her legs (thighs arent rigid) and basically do a situp whilst bearhugging her leg. Not hard to follow up from there.Re: Defense against a female head scissor choke (non athletic type)
quote TSilant:“Just imagine a raging woman has managed to lock her leggs arround your neck and begins to choke your cartroid arterial.”Shes just gone to potentially deadly force, therefore i use a weapon.
If i do not have a weapon, i jam and twist a hand between her legs (thighs arent rigid) and basically do a situp whilst bearhugging her leg. Not hard to follow up from there.In case you have time and energy, but I refered to non-athletic legs anyway. :beer:
What do you think about the biting-method? It is hard to image how to tilt into bite position if there is much pressure on your neck. Isn’t it the case that your chin is more or less locked?
Re: Defense against a female head scissor choke (non athletic type)
quote MOWHAWK1982:In case you have time and energy, but I refered to non-athletic legs anyway. :beer:What do you think about the biting-method? It is hard to image how to tilt into bite position if there is much pressure on your neck. Isn’t it the case that your chin is more or less locked?
You can bite. But most girls around here wear pants, so i cant really say ive tried it.
As for the pressure thing, its like a rear naked choke. Most of the decent escapes make your neck uncomfortable. Forcing your head down at a slant so you can bite would suck, but i cant see it making the choke much faster unless the applicant isnt really squeezing in the first place.
I can tell you one thing with a 100% certainty: If what you really need to do is bite, and its gonna suck, but the alternative is unconsciousness, you bite 🙂
Re: Defense against a female head scissor choke (non athletic type)
That’s right, trousers are a hindrance. :Unsure: How about attacking the knees with your knuckles, squeezing or punching the clitoris?:box:
Re: Defense against a female head scissor choke (non athletic type)
quote MOWHAWK1982:That’s right, trousers are a hindrance. :Unsure: How about attacking the knees with your knuckles, squeezing or punching the clitoris?:box:Meh. I doubt you could get any power into the clitoris. Even if you could youd still have to go through clothes. And itd take time for the pain to have an effect, if it did at all.
If you WERE going to strike, youd probably be better off striking the thigh. Deaden the nerve a bit to make it easier to force a hand in to push it off.
I recommend trying with a friend. Itll all make alot more sense once you get a feel for the position. If you dont have a friend you can try stuff with, just make me a list and ill get back to you next week after ive tried it with someone.
Re: Defense against a female head scissor choke (non athletic type)
I have no female friends who are into wrestling or krav maga. It is only usefull if the chick isn’t going easy on you. :box2:
If a strike to the nads while the opponent wears trousers can have an affect, the same thing applies to the clitoris, too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groin_attack The problem is, can you reach it? The knees are weak, as far as I can ascertain.
Re: Defense against a female head scissor choke (non athletic type)
quote MOWHAWK1982:I have no female friends who are into wrestling or krav maga. It is only usefull if the chick isn’t going easy on you. :box2:If a strike to the nads while the opponent wears trousers can have an affect, the same thing applies to the clitoris, too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groin_attack The problem is, can you reach it? The knees are weak, as far as I can ascertain.
Ill rephrase: By unable to put power into it, i mean with your neck immobilized and your arms having to go around their legs, your body mechanics are going to suck and youll probably end up impotently shoving them, if you can even reach them. Same goes for the knees. You can do arm-bends into them, but its low return. And right now, lay on the ground and try to do it quickly. You can do one, maybe two a second. The time it takes for you to lose consciousness for carotid compression is measured in seconds. Thats not ideal.
Obviously hitting women in the groin works. But in this case itd be no different to trying to headbutt a guy in the bicep during a crucifix hold. You can do it, but its useless.
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Do you know this dude gino alexo who posts arround the internet and sounds knowledgeable? He claimed that the side knees would be that weak, that they are easy to harm and break. I tried it myself and … yeah, you have an effect if you hit them forcefully with the knuckles and brake the ligaments. The knees itself are easier to harm and hurt a lot but I guess you need to be a good uppercutter and although the scissors-choke is not a fullchoke, maybe I underestimated its effect. :dunno: I didn’t break my side knees but hit them slightly.
Trying to deaden the nerve of the tights a bit had a miniscule effect.:dunno:
Re: Defense against a female head scissor choke (non athletic type)
quote MOWHAWK1982:Do you know this dude gino alexo who posts arround the internet and sounds knowledgeable? He claimed that the side knees would be that weak, that they are easy to harm and break. I tried it myself and … yeah, you have an effect if you hit them forcefully with the knuckles and brake the ligaments. The knees itself are easier to harm and hurt a lot but I guess you need to be a good uppercutter and although the scissors-choke is not a fullchoke, maybe I underestimated its effect. :dunno: I didn’t break my side knees but hit them slightly.Trying to deaden the nerve of the tights a bit had a miniscule effect.:dunno:
Well, as someone whos been kicked in the knees all sorts of times, im not overly concerned by arm punches. I trust my experience over some guy 🙂
As for the thighs, try this for fun. Squeeze your thighs together, then jam a hand through.
Youre overthinking the defense against this. Its genuinely effortless, and i promise you it works the same on another persons legs. Easier actually, because theres already a gap.
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The idea of a hiting the side knees to break the ligament sounds plausible but seams to require good upercut skills.:Unsure:
How much punches with your knuckles will you need to deaden the nerve and where do you aim, since female tights are much bulkier and stronger, as far as the saying goes?:abx:
Re: Defense against a female head scissor choke (non athletic type)
quote MOWHAWK1982:The idea of a hiting the side knees to break the ligament sounds plausible but seams to require good upercut skills.:Unsure:How much punches with your knuckles will you need to deaden the nerve and where do you aim, since female tights are much bulkier and stronger, as far as the saying goes?:abx:
You might like the idea, but its low yield.
Female thighs are not bulkier or stronger.
Aim for the thigh. Its really not that complicated.
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