Do you rely on the police for protection?

[kravjeff]

\”It’s a bad world out there – Great to be part of a community of like minded, good people! \”

\”I dont think so, I think its a good world, and most people are good.\”

I basically agree with this – Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully.

I believe that most people are basically good. My point was simply that there is a lot of bad – More than most people know, or are willing to admit – And that it’s great to communicate with everyone here (good people so far as I can tell).

As an aside, the media certainly blow individual incidents out of proportion. However, I can assure you that there are many, many, many times more incidents that go unreported by the media, than those that are. No idea what you do/who you are, but if you haven’t done so, I’d suggest spend a weekend night on a ride along with LEO or paramedics in a big city. Spend the evening in an Urban trauma center emergency room … Seeing the other side of our \”civilized\” culture is a bit shocking, and a rude awakening.

It is a good world – Never underestimate the bad in either numbers, or capabilities …

[jburtonpdx]

Kravjeff,

I understand and had the veil of nievity taken from me when I was 16 years old. I watched an ex-con crankster pick up a dumpster and throw it at his wife, then watched 4 deputies fight and almost loose with him. While that was happening the cranksters old lady pulled a knife on me then went after the cops cause she was afraid he was going to get hurt.

I think of it this way –
Most people are good, its just that the bad ones are fast (like marsupials) and violent in their actions. If bad happens it will happen very much all of a sudden and with severe violence. I wont have time to get help, its up to me to act and act right now.

In the real world I have the most boring job in existance. I am a project manager at a large mega-corp. I send email and fill in spreadsheets… I think I use Krav as a method of therapy for the boredom as much as use it for self defense and exercise…..

And yeah there is lots of crime… I live in central Ohio, not a famous place, but lots of crime in some parts of town. The thing that gets me is it does seem to be spreading out.

[anonymous]

He picked up a dumpster and threw it at his wife?? 😯 Who was he, Hercules? 😆

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Giantkiller

[jburtonpdx]

No not Hercules, just under the influence and pissed off, I think the voices in his head might have been arguing with him.

[kravjeff]

jburtonpdx –

I’m sure we agree more than we disagree … Understand how unnerving witnessing something like that may be. My point was simply that, to an LEO or medic or Fire, or E.D. \”worker\” those things are sadly recognized as commonplace.

I’ve worked on one of the busiest trauma services per capita in the country, for about 10 years. Before that, I was not a major contributor to society – I was a decent guy, was not a criminal or anything, but I was no stranger to violence (or what I perceived as violence at the time – barfights, etc …). However, the first few times I saw something really bad, a kid who’d been hit by a car, a limb missing from a car accident, a gun shot wound from a hunting rifle, a knife wound victim who’d literally been opened up – I mean ecviscerated with bowel hanging out, a shotgun wound to the face; I realized that there was a whole ‘nuther world out there that I didn’t know existed – And these things happen every single day, several times per day. Fortunately, few acts of violence are random – However I truly believe the general public is unaware of just how vilolent this world is even in our great, relatively safe country. I could be wrong, but i don’t think so.

[jburtonpdx]

KravJeff

I agree with you. Another point to make, you alluded to when you said in our safe country. We currently live in a very (relative statement) safe country with little (again relative statement) poverty. There is not as much desperation here as there is even in Mexico, let alone Central or South America, India, or other places like that. The first time I flew into a third world country and was escorted to my companies compound, it was another eye opener for me.

If you are ever in the Columbus area look me up I will buy lunch… jburtonpdx at gmail dot com.

[kravjeff]

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quote \”jburtonpdx\:

KravJeff

I agree with you. Another point to make, you alluded to when you said in our safe country. We currently live in a very (relative statement) safe country with little (again relative statement) poverty. There is not as much desperation here as there is even in Mexico, let alone Central or South America, India, or other places like that. The first time I flew into a third world country and was escorted to my companies compound, it was another eye opener for me.

If you are ever in the Columbus area look me up I will buy lunch… jburtonpdx at gmail dot com.

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Absolutely relative – Agree 100%

Thanks for the offer – Very kind! If I make it out that way I will.

Best,
Jeff

[esco]

this morning i actually had one of those encounters. i showed up to work weary that i had to pull 5 hrs of OT today which means 13hrs straight with 2 small breaks for lunch. the first incident i dealt with today was a homeless couple arguing about something, i don’t know what, in front of the building. the guy became increasingly frustrated and was showing physical signs of his frustration. when he finally had enough he threw his drink in her face and cussed loudly at her. this good samaritan that just happened to be walking by had some choice words for the guy, then threatened that if he so much as laid a finger on her he would \”womp you so bad…\”
Too bad they guy was like mid to late 50s and scrawny and the homeless guy looked like a more than able mid 30s. at this point i stepped in and positioned myself between the two men and told the homeless guy it was a good time to leave. the whole time i’m thinking c’mon god not today, please! he was challenging the good samaritan to a fight and the other guy was making it worse talking his shtuff to, saying things like \”you act so tough, why don’t you try that with another man? you ain’t got the balls to hit another man?\” Again i’m thinkign i don’t need this today.
the homeless guy was advancing on the other guy when i grabbed him and held him back with my arm, already tired of this i just wanted to end it already, looked him straight in the eye, and in all seriousness told him \”you have two choices: walk away on your own two feet or be carried out in a stretcher.\” It worked, he high tailed it out of there, in fact both of them did in opposite directions. i was left with the woman all crying and stuff. never too good at this sort of thing i simply asked if everything was alright, she said yes, i offered to call the police so she can make a complaint or the paramedics if she needed medical assitance, she said no to both, andi walked away clean.

[unstpabl1]

Heres the continuation of your story.as soon as you left she ran right back to the guy you 2 saved her from. However,had a fight broken out ,she would have been the one to stick the knife in your back.when the police showed up,their story would have been that you attacked them for no apparent reason ,no less……..ooppss did the cynic in me just appear 🙂 except for the knife itself,BTDT,too many times!!!Domestic disputes are the calls cops hate the most and it sounds like you would have let it take its course had not the other guy stepped in the shit.And i’m with you on that….my cynicism comes from working in bars for too long 😉 Though awhile back i had the story acted out in my apartment.After work,one night I pulled into my parking space just in time to see the sweet nice couple from upstairs come running by.She was screaming he’s gonna kill me.He was chasing her with my roomate(at the time) and her 3 girlfriends chasing him.When he caught her he slamed her head against the car and started hitting her.so i pulled him off of her and ofcourse he turned on me.I got a quick kick in to his nuts and as he bent a palm to his face.He crumbled and i restrained him.Though I didn’t break his nose(Thought i did at the time)there was alot of blood.She jumped on me and the girls pulled her off me.When the cops showed up,at first she started to tell them that it was a misunderstanding and i just attacked him,when that wasn’t going to wash,too many witnesses,she recanted,apologized and the cops took him bye bye….I talked to her till early AM and all she kept saying was what did i do to him.She blamed herself for getting beaten……how sweet….Next nite,icome home,he’s out in front in his car on the cell phone talking to her…he apoligises to me and is seriously contrite…this truthfully was/is a really nice kid and for him to be as enraged as was the nite before didn’t seem part of his scharacter at all.He told me they were spliting and he told me that she had started it by beating him for about 30 minutes with a broom stick,until he lost it…..i didn’t believe him until 2 days later as he was trying to move i found him being beaten by the girl and her mother with broom handles cause she didn’t want him to leave.She admited beating him the nite before but as she pointed out he got the record..I threatened them and they let him move and she moved later that week.ain’t love Grand
mike

[jburtonpdx]

actually….

At the time I was an explorer riding with one of the deputies. We were the first people to arrive and though at 16 I was supposed to stay in the car, I did get out when the deputy was fighting with the guy and started talking to the women to try and keep her out of it. During that time another deputy showed up, and they continued to loose the fight with him. At that point the women pulled out the knife, I stepped back pulled out the maglight and screamed at her to drop the knife, she did, then turned and jumped into the mix with the deputies. Another deputy showed up at that point, she got cuffed, then the three deputies were able to hog tie the dude and they tossed him into the back of the deputies car that I was riding with.

That was enough for me – I knew I had to be able to fight. Have studied some sort of fighting ever since.

Never went into Law Enforcement, but have much respect for those that serve us. Most serve with the utmost integrity and honor.

BTW – that was back in 1986, so knowing how the mind works details get lost and things may not be exactly as reported… I do remember seeing the dude pick up the dumpster though and I do remember that knife.

[juszczec]

I said no.

I’m an adult. No one is responsible for me except me.

That said, I think police are obligated to help me out when I ask for it. If they don’t, then as a taxpayer and solid citizen I’m gonna have an awful lot of unpleasant questions to ask.

Mark

[kravjeff]

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quote \”juszczec\:

I said no.

I’m an adult. No one is responsible for me except me.

That said, I think police are obligated to help me out when I ask for it. If they don’t, then as a taxpayer and solid citizen I’m gonna have an awful lot of unpleasant questions to ask.

Mark

Hey Mark –

I think we all expect LEO to come when we call – The context of the thread was more along the lines of them really being there WHEN THE SHTF! Sounds like you have (IMO) the right frame of mind, taking responsibility for you and yours. Rmember though – The Gov has said in court decisions that the police are not responsible for protection of the the individual.\”

KJ

[lazlo]

The social contract is that the cops help hunt down the bad guys pretty soon after an attack on people or property and in return we citizens don’t engage in vigilante justice. That’s what I expect from the po-po: the promise of swift response and presence which for the majority of us non-criminal minded folks results in a powerful deterent to not break the law.
I am responsible for my immediate defense. Who else?

[kirsten]

Well, \”I have always been one to rely upon the kindness of strangers.\”

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You are responsible for your own safety, first and foremost.

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