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In case you had not seen the advertisements, there is a program called Fight Science on National Geographic Channel that airs on Sunday, Aug 20 at 9:00 ET and re-airs Monday Aug 21 and again on Sunday Aug 27.
The advertisements are very cool, using CGI and force calculators (like the test dummies in cars) they show the physics behind punches, knees, kicks etc ñ how much force a human can generate and how much internal damage it can cause. I think it will be very interesting viewing.
This blurb is from the Nat Geo website:
It strikes four times faster than a snake. It kicks with more than 1,000 pounds of force. And it can rival the impact of a 35 mph car crash. It’s the most complex weapon ever designed – the human body. Fight Science brings together a dream team of scientists, motion-capture specialists and CGI animators, along with a cross-section of champion martial artists, to analyze the world’s greatest fight techniques in ways never before possible.Anyway I thought it might interest those on this forum.
At first glance, it sounded just like that awful xtreme martial arts program. But this one has some legit fighters at least. Most likely, its nothing you don’t already know because its not made just for the martial artist.
\”by pivoting his foot and twisting his waist, the martial artist makes his punch more powerful\”
\”by hitting with just his first two knuckles instead of the whole fist, he decreases the surface area to increase the ppsi\”
\”by attacking the vulnerable areas like the eyes and throat, the fighter quickly takes out his attacker\”They have a well renowed BJJ guy- I’d like to see them test the amount of force on a well positioned arm bar, knee bar, or omoplata vs the approximate breaking point of the joint. It would also be interesting to do the force calculation as they relate to weapons like clubs, or how something like a kubaton or roll of quarters changes the force of a strike.
it was a pretty good show, did you guys watch it? I found it very informative and really shocking and eye opening. I never would have thought the human body was capable of such feats. impeccable balance even when jumping between staggered surfaces, but waht was really amazing was to learn that the human fist can hist with more force than a wooden bat swung around at full force, or could generate over 1000 (yes, a thousand) Gs of acceleration when striking and hit with a force equal to that of a 35 mph car crashing into you. amazing!
It was okay. Some cool info but I would like to see the force those fast roundhouse kicks the TKD guy was generating. I don’t think was a lot.
Also, how can you compare a 100lbs something kung guys punch to a 230lbs boxers?
It would have been cool to see what power was generated during a fight and not static.
Dont’ get me wrong, I think they are on a great course linking science with Martial Arts/system but they could have done it better.
\”it was a pretty good show, did you guys watch it? I found it very informative and really shocking and eye opening. I never would have thought the human body was capable of such feats. impeccable balance even when jumping between staggered surfaces, but waht was really amazing was to learn that the human fist can hist with more force than a wooden bat swung around at full force, or could generate over 1000 (yes, a thousand) Gs of acceleration when striking and hit with a force equal to that of a 35 mph car crashing into you. amazing!\”
Did they run a car into the recording device at 35 miles per hour with the same results? Or, could someone hit a home run by punching a ball being pitched at them? If not, it seems that numbers don’t tell the whole story.
of course not, what they did was use the same instrument used to measure the force of the impact that is attached to the wall during one of those crash test dummy runs. it doesn’t really mean much, it’s just numbers, and even during the show they said that it is not realistic to think that in a real fight you could ever set up for a punch like that, but i think it’s still cool to know that the human body is capable of that, i didn’t know that. and fist vs. bat is obvious, the bat is hard solid wood, fist is basically water, fiber, bone, i think, and this is a theory now, that the fist will give out first. feel free to disagree though. there’s a rason boxers, thai boxers, and KBxrs wrap the hands and wrist.
as for TKD, sorry for sounding so disrespectful and all but c’mon, man that system seems like a joke. they claim that it is one of the better defensive arts out there, but really, you will get everything usefull you are going to get out of that system by the time you get your 2nd colored belt if not your first. they teach you how to punch, kick, knee, and elbow, and where on the body to taget. Then they spend the rest of the time teaching you how to break boards and master the form and grace of all these fancy kicks that have absolutely no basis in real self defense. I’m sorry but why is being able jump up and kick like 8 ft. into the air going to help you in real life? Who are you kicking up there?!?!?!!
yeah, i guess, cuz you never know when shaq might mug you in the streets. That should be their motto \”Tae Kwon Do, becasue you just never know when Shaq will strike next.\”
Did you ever see Game of Death? What if, after fighting your way up a pagoda of increasingly diffucult enemies, you had to fight Kareem Abdul Jabar, and you really, really wanted to kick someone in the head?
Tae Kwon do: because flicking your foot out at someone’s head and chest with your hands down and stance sideways is the best way to fight.
Oh and obviously I was kidding with my questions. I was making the point that numbers don’t tell the whole story. If a kick had the same force as a 35 mph car crash, then couldn’t that kick stop a car running into the guy at that speed?
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quote \”Esco\:… master the form and grace of all these fancy kicks that have absolutely no basis in real self defense. I’m sorry but why is being able jump up and kick like 8 ft. into the air going to help you in real life? Who are you kicking up there?!?!?!!I read some place about the history of Tae Kwon do, and its high kick moves being developed for foot soldiers in middle ages Korea to be able to mount some sort of attack against riders on horses. Thus, the high kicks.
I think all fighting arts have to progress with the times. That is one of the things that sparked my interest in KM, it being developed in the 20th century and it has defenses against hand guns and rifles.
I can easily imagine stumbling into a convenice store robbery and being threatened with a gun — but nun-chucks & swords? That is so, like, 16th century!
I’ve heard several times that the flying kicks for mounted soldiers is a myth. A person on a horse is still very hard to hit by jumping, even with very impressive jumping abilities. Especially if the person has a sword or lance. Jumping like nine feet in the air with more momentum than a charging horse is very low on the list of possibilities.
However, check out this picture of the flying kick vs modern armored personnel- its one of the coolest pictures I’ve seen in a long time:
http://bc.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/4/Edinburgh_July4_2005.jpgThat’s interesting. Where was picture taken? Did he accomplish anything with that kick? Looked like he was trying to kick over the top of the officer’s shields, but all they would need to do is raise them higher. So it looks cool, but I’m not sure how effective it could have been.
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