going from commando krav maga to krav maga

[kior]

Re: going from commando krav maga to krav maga

quote jsumm54421:

I know a US Navy Seal who has had highly specialized training outside of that of a normal US soldier. I think this may be common. If you want to train in current military IDF Krav Maga then you must train with Ran or someone who has trained with him.

I think you misunderstood my question. From the CKM website:

“Until very recently Moni taught CKM exclusively to special military groups around the world. However, on account of a growing demand from civilian groups, Moni agreed to start teaching civilians for the first time in his career. Now finally even civilians can learn the most elite Israeli commando units’ techniques for armed and unarmed combat.”

Moni claims that his system is an improvement on ‘regular’ KM, that his system is used by the ‘elite’ commandos etc but that he also now teaches it to civilians*. You are quite right that the training for a Navy Seal is more specialised than that for a regular soldier as they have different needs. The needs of a civilian and a Navy Seal are surely even further apart though than that of the soldier and the Navy Seal correct? Yet CKM is available to the civilians, the elite commandos, counter terrorist operatives, SWAT teams but oddly enough the Israeli government doesn’t think it’s a good fit for their regular soldiers. Why is that the case?

* I wonder where the growing demand from civilians came from? Given the massive secrecy that the Israeli government apparently grants to Moni’s activities how did civilians find out about this elite fighting art and start begging Moni to share his secrets? Some clarification on this point would be interesting on this also.

[jsumm54421]

Re: going from commando krav maga to krav maga

That is an interesting point. Yes, I misunderstood your question and this may be an issue for all military self defense systems. This is an issue that many in the self defense community have with all forms of military based self defense systems. Why would a civilian want to learn what law enforement and the military are doing for their self defense?

The wording always comes across as the civilians are doing what the military and law enforcement is doing. Civilians train to get home safely, law enforcement is into controlling and arresting and a soldier’s main interest is to kill. Yes, there are some things they all have in common, but, their basic needs are different. That’s why you see the different KM courses for law enforcement and military. All KM instructors I know understand that the self defense needs for civilians, law enforce and military are different and may have some common thread. However, this is hard to convey in a short amount of words when detailing the military history of the given system. However, when you dig deeper into these programs, you see separate training for law enforcement and military.

Yes, I agree, the wording may be a bit confusing, on initial reading, for most military based systems.

quote Kior:

I think you misunderstood my question. From the CKM website:

“Until very recently Moni taught CKM exclusively to special military groups around the world. However, on account of a growing demand from civilian groups, Moni agreed to start teaching civilians for the first time in his career. Now finally even civilians can learn the most elite Israeli commando unitsí techniques for armed and unarmed combat.”

[kior]

Re: going from commando krav maga to krav maga

I think you’re avoiding answering my actual question.

[jsumm54421]

Re: going from commando krav maga to krav maga

Kior,

I want to answer your questions on the other debate thread.

Again -I know that IKMA is unlike KMWW in many ways yet there are noticable common threads. CKM has a totally different approach from all of these organizations, however, there is at least one common thread. Let me see if I can do it in a simple manner. This is not about what is better, but, what is the difference.

When facing multiple attackers, an individual’s chance of success is very low. This is such an important concept in CKM because it teaches that one has only a second or two to launch an attack before being overwelmed by multiple attackers. Engaging with an attacker any longer would prevent one from being able to address other attackers. Yes, one or two strikes and get out of there! CKM views staying engaged for a period of time with one attacker creates a “tunnel vision” situation leaving one unaware of the dangers lurking from others. Students are taught to quickly disengage to add distance between themselves and the attackers, thus, adding precious seconds of additonal reaction time to deal with other potential threats.

Ground defenses have a max time of 5 seconds to be executed and students are timed by their instructors. If the students take longer that 5 seconds to get off the ground then the entire class must punch, stomp and kick the student until told to stop. There are no combatives that require one to stay engaged with an attacker for more that a second or two. For the record, I have yet to see any Judo throws CKM.

CKM has different views on preemptive striking and 90% of the techniques are different from those in the various Krav Maga systems.

Unlike CKM, most Krav Maga systems add some of the most basic techniques from Boxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling and Small Circle Jui Jitsu to name a few. These techniques create a nice list of combatives. The key here is that Krav is interested in the simple techniques that are easy to learn in a short amount of time. Only techniques that one can execute with little effort will be useful in a real life attack. Although, many of these strikes belong to other systems, the intended targets of the strikes is what adds a bit of uniqueness to Krav Maga. CKM shares in this same understanding of the importance of attacking points of weakness.

The common thread in CKM and other forms of Krav Maga is in added reality to attacks by pressure testing a students execution of a technique. This approach is unlike most traditional martial arts and sport arts as real, mentally taxing, pressure situations are created to test ones ability to successfully execute techniques. This is where students learn that complex, awkward techniques will be of little use to them in a real life attack situation. This is the essence of reality base systems and is what Krav Maga is most respected for and is the core of all CKM training.

I train in many systems / styles so I won’t go into why I do this and what’s best because I know I’m on an island with my views. (jkd)
I am into self defense and enjoy open dialog with others who are serious about their training.

My final word is this: The street predator has only one or two techniques, but, he is a master of these techniques. His techniques are tried, tested and proven! Train in what you believe in, and remember that the system and techniques are as only as good as the person doing them.
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