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Who do we train to fight? Is it the untrained punk on the street? the MMA fighter? the Boxer? BJJ specialist? All of the above?
How do you think Krav trains you to defeat these threats?
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Krav trains you based on principles the first being to address the immediate danger.
I typically don’t give my attacker the opportunity to explain what previous experience he has since I’m busy simultaneously kicking the sh1t out of them.Re: Who is the opponent/enemy?
Eliminating the immediate danger and simultaneously counterattacking are principles that we teach so it doesn’t matter who attacks us or what they know about fighting. We take the fight to them so they never get a chance to show us their skillset. The last thoughts that person should have as that fight ends is “I attacked the wrong person today.”
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quote Kms1974:Who do we train to fight? Is it the untrained punk on the street? the MMA fighter? the Boxer? BJJ specialist? All of the above?How do you think Krav trains you to defeat these threats?
Anatomically they’re all more or less the same person.
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quote fred_jennings:The last thoughts that person should have as that fight ends is “I attacked the wrong person today.”What he said.
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I have pondered the same question. And though we can say “Take the fight to them.” What if that person is proficient in Karate, or another martial art…where simultaneous defense/attacks are anticipated. Stomping on the foot, the knees, etc. for larger opponents.
Further to starting this thread, I would also ask. (Again…just as a Level II and not professing to be anything more) is Krav sufficient against more than the “street fighter” or “mugger.” Is it effective against proficient fighters? I don’t see it as something that would happen often to come up against a Martial arts expert as they learn the same degree of respect we do….but on those rare occasions…just like being mugged/attacked is a rare occasion…..how do we stand up to this in others experience? Do we train for these scenarios?
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quote CJs Dad:Krav trains you based on principles the first being to address the immediate danger.
I typically donít give my attacker the opportunity to explain what previous experience he has since Iím busy simultaneously kicking the sh1t out of them.heh heh heh
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quote TheCrownsOwn:What if that person is proficient in Karate, or another martial art…where simultaneous defense/attacks are anticipated.If you defend yourself and counterattack with violence and aggression and are willing to follow through with it until the fight is over, whatever that means in that particular situation, it doesn’t matter what the other person knows. The key is to quickly (instantly) turn that person from attacker to defender so they don’t get any more opportunity to try to hurt you.
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quote fred_jennings:If you defend yourself and counterattack with violence and aggression and are willing to follow through with it until the fight is over, whatever that means in that particular situation, it doesn’t matter what the other person knows. The key is to quickly (instantly) turn that person from attacker to defender so they don’t get any more opportunity to try to hurt you.Absolutely. Thats beaten into our heads every class. However, now you have an opponent who may have the same mentality. With formal training. Even another Krav practitioner. Do you see the conundrum. Though we are not a martial art. Is the system proficient in these situtations against these types of martial arts, agression or not. Does the system have the techniques that apply to defense against these systems?
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LIke this poor guy who’s an expert….is his system the problem…or is it the practitioner? How do we know?
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quote TheCrownsOwn:LIke this poor guy who’s an expert….is his system the problem…or is it the practitioner? How do we know?That “system” seems to require a willing participant for its offense to work. Any system that teaches to defend with your hands at your waist and block kicks with your face has some definite inherent problems… Krav teaches sound defenses for any type of attack. The defenses are derived from instinctive movements and the same techniques can be applied across a wide range of situations. The key to continuing to be successful is to continue your own attack after that initial defense and counterattack so that your attacker doesn’t get the opportunity to attack again.
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Umm…
That system is chocalate covered bull****! Waste of time. For chris’s sake. Anyways to answer the original question. I don’t care what my attacker knows. He better understand that if he attacks me he’s getting his ass beaten. Simple and plain. An ass beaten delivered to a Kung Fu master is the same as one delivered to a Karate Master!
Krav or no krav the attitude has to be the same. The attitude is I will do whatever it takes to destroy the person attacking me.
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I think this is a valid question. To pass it off so lightly I think is a great disservice. We should train for the worst – whether that be the awkward attacker who is totally random and catches us off guard (if you spar I know you have met this guy) or the planned attack of a skilled fighter. Our world is always evolving. Bad guys realize the
effectiveness of training and do so often harder than the good guys. As people have pointed out we counter most with aggression – an immediate and violent counter attack, but that is only part of it. God forbid if the fight progresses beyond initial contact because of missed attacks or just a tough SOB, we should recognize in our attacker as much as we can from their movement and body language. To think that they won’t get a chance to attack you in the way they want is a disconnect with reality. They will have openings on you as well. Remember it is a fight and anything can and will happen.
Whatever their game is don’t play it. You fight as hard as you can and be as dirty as possible. Where they hesitate because of their training with rules and sportsmanship I will not. Where they won’t kick the groin – I will. I will spit. I will bite, scratch, claw, tear, gouge, break, use objects. I have no pride. I have no rules. I have no pause. I will not fight fair.
I will go home.This is how you train for the unknown.
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IMO a good Kravist, fighter, warrior should have at least a passing knowledge of the enemy. That way, if you should encounter said threat, you understand how to use Krav to defeat them. That also means you also need a thorough understanding of Krav.
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I think it’s more like what Brent said I don’t train for the fighter or the style I train for the attack. I weather the storm with the tools that Krav has taught me and give back better then received.
A fight is too organic and in my experience you have a limited amount of time to check for variables situational awareness etc. its more then likely the only thing you’ll have to go on is his stance, hand positioning, if he has an exposed folder clip and friends.
Fights just happen way to fast to do much due diligence on the individual attacker.
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