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Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
Krav was recommended to me by a friend who’s also a MMA fighter. I don’t think its the MMA community that has issues with Krav, its the individuals that have ego issues.
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
quote Dirty_Harry:I discussed my view on being able to integrate MMA and Krav together in another post, but what I am curious about is why so many MMA people don’t like Krav Maga? The MMA guys seem to think that MMA/BJJ is the only way to fight. Anyone able to shed some light on this, or is it just fanboyism?Apologies if this has been discussed before, I am new here.
Thanks.
Caveat Emptor : Noob opinion.
The main thing point of contention I believe these other MMA/MT/BJJ/boxing/judo guys have is that there is a perceived lack of sparring in KM schools.
Whether this is true will depend on local conditions (ie your school).
I believe this is a very important part of training but this has to be done safely. As another poster has said, KM guys can do well in MMA if they train for it.
But plain going and repeating combatives and not pressure testing them in a sparring situation is not going to win one any MMA sparring bouts.
It may be detrimental and may give one a false confidence on the streets as well. If you have never taken a hit, glancing or otherwise, or never been clinched or thrown before, by a somewhat unpredictable actively resisting opponent, it’s better to face this in a safe situation than for the first time on the street.
imho,
Krav Maga = ok (better than TMA’s that just do Kata and point sparring)
Krav Maga + sparring = better,
Krav Maga + sparring + cross training to fill gaps = bestAs kind of an offtopic question, how much sparring do you all do?
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
Krav Maga is a practical based system that is relatively simple to learn but highly effective. You can use one defense for several attacks. For example, handgun defense from the front, multiple levels and the threat using one or two hands. MMA is no joke either, They are in great shape and technicly proficient with tons of moves and techniques. That is some of the problem with MMA, It takes a long time to become preficient and not lock up in the thinking process, especially under deadly stress. With KM, when in doubt, kick them in the nuts, when in doubt hit them in the face, when in doubt put both thumbs in there eyes ect. As some of the posts eluded to MMA still is a sport. If you did them for real on each other, KM would come out on top. If you tap out in KM that means you are dead. Not an option.
Respectfully submitted,
Dan.Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
quote Kirk:They don’t like getting kicked in the nuts, punched in the throat, gouged in the eye, headbutted, and stomped in the face just to name a few. Plus the BJJ guys don’t like it when they have in guard or tying for a submission and you grab their junk, twist and pull.Don’t get me wrong I am a huge MMA fan just like I am a huge Football fan. It’s a sport that I love to watch.
This right here is why some MMA people don’t like krav maga: a holier than thou attitude when it comes to fighting, while simultaneously throwing out that they love the sport (like it’s a cute puppy or something). I’d also like to point out that krav maga people also don’t like to get kicked in the nuts, punched in the throat, face stomped etc. Even krav people don’t spar that way (at least to my knowledge, and if they do then they’re not sparring at high intensity). Also, it gets very annoying when you’re showing somebody some groundwork and rather than get good at some fundamental high percentage escapes and positioning they say “well, I could just hit you in the balls” etc, not realizing that an awkwardly positioned groin attack can make the situation worse for them. It’s just like how some people will pull out an imaginary gun when doing any combatives stuff- yeah, that’s really productive in learning. And then they have the nerve to say that the sportfighters are just involved in some kind of penis measuring contest.
My point isn’t to say that MMA is better. In fact, a good deal of my training involves things illegal in MMA. My point is that RBSD people can’t halfheartedly spar and then think they could destroy people who spar hard and put their whole heart into training just because they mock strikes that make their training partner pretend to die. This attitude is paralleled in my weapons training: people like the Dog Brothers put on gear and fight, and they are derided as “sport fighters” by people who practice slow patterns with sharp weapons but have never had someone rush at them with a stick with the intent to whack them in the head.
IMHO it doesn’t matter what others say about what you do, live and let live. Ask yourself if you train and pressure test realistically, and the more honest you can be with yourself, the better. Figure out how you can improve your training instead of trying to convince yourself that your training is the best. Learn all that is useful from everyone around you. If all the arguing factions spent more time doing these things, it would be a lot more productive than either side thinking they’re the best.Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
This is the most practical and most affective art/controlled chaos for me and what I do for a living. I have heard some of my co-workers that train in mma style fighting put Krav down but like I tell them it works for me.
We have been in some incidents where we have been attacked by multiple attackers and I have been the one with the most success in those situations. Prison Environment. :box:
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
I agree with Mak, I feel its their response to an elitist attitude some RBSD guys seem to have. I think it’s the definition of RBSD specifically the word “Reality” tends to lead people to believe one is “realistic” while the other is a sport and the combatants they use are not equally painful to a would be attacker.
True Big Johns not going to jump out from the bushes and yell break but I’m going to feel pretty stupid with an MMA guy ground and pounding me from the mount.
So the solution is we train everything as much as time permits.Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
quote Oneness:We initially got the same response. Thats why I made a point to wear Krav Maga shirts to the fights. After our guys was getting the win, it shut a lot of people up.Our MMA fighters understand the differences and know that their style is mutual combat and for a ring, not the street. Just watch what happens in the UFC when someone gets poked in the eye or kicked in the groin. They all stop and look for the ref to help them. There is no stopping out on the street.
There are 67 rules that you can not do while in the ring/cage in MMA. In Krav Maga there is only one. Who is better prepared for the street?
Although true, it’s also the same reason that NHL players don’t retaliate when a penalty committed. Or when soccer players throw themselves to the floor when something that could be perceived as a foul occurs.
When an MMA fighter looks at the ref, it doesn’t mean they “can’t handle” it. It’s simply a way to try to get a point deduction for his opponent, or a breather, etc. It’s a way to bring the ref’s attention to the foul. Remember, MMA is a sport, and it’s not a street fight. Anyone who fights MMA (myself) will tell you it’s not a street fight. Winning means you get paid again, so getting a breather because you can’t see out of your left eye helps you win. This is why they do what you described.
If a Krav Maga specialist entered an MMA ring and fought an MMA fighter, the Krav Maga specialist would get tooled. But if an MMA fighter fought a Krav Maga specialist on the street, the outcome would be very different. This is clearly because each discipline has the advantage in how they are taught – one is sport, and the other is a self defense program. Neither style is “better” or “worse” than the other, but many MMA fans equate it with street fighting, which would be grossly incorrect. 😉
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
I tell folks Krav Maga is MMA for the street with tactics and no rules.Yes we do spar all ranges of fighting.Yes my students fight and compete full contact.I grew up in Crooklyn,NY so I didn’t have a choice.:)
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
All the whining is hurting my ears… Go buy a red corvette and feel manly again is what I say to anyone with a hurt ego, MMA, KM, whatever. Let’s leave it at what it is “apples and oranges” and move on. :beer:
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quote Kirsten:All the whining is hurting my ears… Go buy a red corvette and feel manly again is what I say to anyone with a hurt ego, MMA, KM, whatever. Let’s leave it at what it is “apples and oranges” and move on. :beer:I don’t see the whining that you’re referring to, Kirsten. I do see alleged criticism, and in my opinion criticism is a good thing. If there was criticism and if people were willing to discuss it more than they do now, I don’t think we would have McDojos anymore.
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
Nope its sounds like whining to me. Not sure how it would stop “McDojo’s” by complaining that MMA guys are giving KM guys a hard time. Its a pissing match that’s all. Like I said its apples and oranges. Two different things.
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quote Kirsten:Like I said its apples and oranges. Two different things.Sounds like apples and oranges to me also. See Misunderstanding Krav Maga.
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
That’s funny! Guess its a great term for “comparing” the two!
Re: Why the hate on Krav by MMA people?
The Triangle Choke Stabbing Scenario was used in a Krav class at our place once. Instructor made a point of telling us that we should all take BJJ and Thai Boxing if possible in an effort to widen our arsenal, but made sure to tell us what works in the ring doesn’t always work in the street. He also makes a point to occasionally point to the boxing ring and state that we are not training for in there, but out there in the real world.
Just for my own fanboyishness, are Kumites really held? I know there is controversy with the real Frank Dux’s claims he competed in one. But other than him, I have never heard anybody so much as claim to have seen one save that article.
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