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quote :I know you guys mean well, but you’re missing the point of self defense. It is for everyone. Unlike sport fighting. If you find the people in your classes below your skill set, find a partner and make a point to have them come the same days as you do. Or you can come down to my gym and I’ll run you through the paces = )
Exactly. This is why I moved from Krav Maga to sportfighting. It’s a better fit for me. Personally. The only thing I was pointing out that relates to self defence is that upping the average level of intensity would probably be better for the students. All of them.
I would be happy to meet you in person and train with you provided that we check the egos at the door. Going by your post and by the way you seemed to subtly attack me personally and my position, I am a bit weary of this turning into an internet deathmatch of some sort. I think those are silly to say the least.
Peace.
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quote \”chguise\:Fitness does not attract only people that can’t hang with you big boys. It brings in people who may have always wanted to study self defense but were intimidated. Believe me, though I started for body reasons, I run with the big dogs.You are an exception, then. Out of the 20 some people I trained with on a regular basis, there was _maybe_ two that could match the intensity level of the average participant in my BJJ/MMA class. Have you ever trained in MMA? If not, then perhaps you simply haven’t been exposed to that kind of intensity. This is not an insult, there’s no reason whatsoever for you to be so defensive.
quote :Talking about training partners holding you back is not only pompus but it states that you yourself may not be the good training partner you think you are. Helping someone else who truely wants to learn and get it right teaches me more about the moves then training in a class ever did. My understanding of Krav has deepened so much from training those that you wish to exclude.Why is it pompous if it’s true? Should I have just shut up about it and kept this to myself? Are you not interested in any opinion but those that are in agreement with yours?
The fact that something teaches you a lot does not mean that it would teach me a lot. People have different styles of learning, and there’s no one cooke-cutter approach.
My training partenrs were holding me back. It is possible that they would not hold you back. This is not because they are wimps or bad people, but because they were not what I happen to need. I’m not claiming to be anything other than I am – somewhat of a beginer in the martial arts. I’m not the one being pompous here.
quote :I conceed that sometimes others do not attack with enough force. Chokes are not hard enough, punches are not fast enough but where one is soft another may come hard. Your response should mirror that. If someone attacks slowly, then you should defend and counter painfully slow and perfect.This is exactly what I was doing. To go full tilt and beat the snot out of people who want to play slow would indeed make me a bad training partner. I’m not saying I didn’t get _any_ utility out of it. I did indeed learn some good things. However, I learned nowhere near my optimal pace. Once again, this is not an insult. It’s a statement of fact.
quote :I find students who act to me like the people in class are below them irritating to say the least. I have a guy in my classes that has trained all his life. He is a talented fighter and deadly on the ground. Yet he looks at every training session as an opportunity to perfect his skills and blames nothing on those around him. He attends level one up to level four classes.It seems to me that you’re arguing with a strawman. Going by your post, you can assume that I’m some sort of an elitist bastard who considers himself to be above other people and beats up on soccer moms who came to train KM to lose that extra 20 pounds. This is not the case. All I am saying is that the atmosphere and the attitude of my former training partenrs was not what I was looking for and that I am much happier in a different environment.
Once again, there’s no need to be offended.
quote :My favorite thing, before I became an instructor, was when we got these tough guys who completely misjudged me. \”She’s little and blonde, no problem.\” They’d snicker when we squared up. Underestimating your enemy is one of the worst things you can do.Sure. I train with a girl who’s about 100 pounds at most, and she’s very good on the ground, quick and precise. I learn a lot from her. What does this have to do with the topic at hand though?
quote :I know you guys mean well, but you’re missing the point of self defense. It is for everyone. Unlike sport fighting. If you find the people in your classes below your skill set, find a partner and make a point to have them come the same days as you do. Or you can come down to my gym and I’ll run you through the paces = )Re: kicking the knee
quote \”Walker\:How easy is it to bust someones knee. And where is the most effective place to kick the knee. Front, outside, or inside.If the knee’s locked out – very easy.
If the knee’s bent – next to impossible.In fact, I stick my knee into low kicks when I kickbox all the time to hurt the one kicking me. It’s a standard Thai Boxing technique.
The Russian Millitary has nothing whatsoever to do with Systema much like the US millitary has nothing to do with SCARS. You can say that Systema is the Russian SCARS – over the top advertizing, exaggerated claims, and no real link to the millitary.
The Russian soldiers get a very basic course in hand to hand combat on the base of combat sambo. Those that chose to train further and compete have the option to do so. The hand to hand program in the Russian millitary is actually pretty damn good, it’s just not mandatory for all soldiers.
75 year old out of shape lady punching and hurting a 20-something year old guy.
I don’t believe you.
Either the entire thing was made up, or the truth got distorted somewhere along the line.
quote :Loss Alexandre Ferreira Submission (Keylock) 2H2H 1-2 Hot 2 Handle 3/5/2000
Loss Bob Schrijber Submission (Punches) AAC 2-Amsterdam Absolute Championship 2 11/27/1999
Win Patrick Smith KO BRI 2-Bas Rutten Invitational 2 4/24/1999
Loss Bob Schrijber KO AAC 1-Amsterdam Absolute Championship 1 10/25/1998
Loss Oleg Taktarov Submission (Kneebar) NF-National Freesparring 2/21/1998
Loss Mark Kerr TKO UFC 14-Showdown 7/27/1997
Loss Mark Coleman Submission (Strikes) UFC 10-The Tournament 7/12/1996He KO’d Patrick Smith, who was pretty tough back then, but lost all 6 of his other fights. To his credit, though, the guys he lost to were all badasses.
This topic touches on the biggest problem I has with my KM training, and why I ultimately left my then studio in favor of grappling/sportfighting.
I actually like the KM system a lot. I think it provides a great balance between self defence techniques that may very well come in handy (even though I don’t ever seem to get in situations requiring me to defend myself anymore) hard conditioning (I’m a lazy bastard, and having conditioning drills as a part of class was good for me) and solid fighting basics. There were some things that I have a problem with, I would have liked moe of an emphasis on grappling for example, but overall I like the system quite a bit.
The real problem, for me, was the kind of people that were in my class. And don’t get me wrong, they were good folks who worked hard. However, they just did not provide me with the challenge or the intensity I needed to excell. My current training partenrs are mostly \”tough guys\”, not in the sense that they have bad attitudes (quite the opposite, actually), are all young, or particularly massive, but in the snese that we really go at it at a much faster pace on a regular basis. I find that the people I train with can either push you along or hold you back. My former KM training partenrs were holding me back.
The reason I’m bringing this up in the first place is because it’s a result of the way KM is advertized. By targetting the soccer moms (and I’m not being in any way disparging here) and the average joes, the organization is sacrificing some training intensity that would have been good for their target audience and also losing people like myself who want too turn it up a notch or two.
