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Unfortunately, my KM training is sporadic, although apparently I workout all the time.
Monday – CrossPit, which is a combination of crossfit style conditioning with fighting skills subbing for some exercises (punches, kicks and sprawls for instance instead of running). It’s cage fighting basically. We train really hard for an hour. We get to hit eachother sometimes and we work ground work fairly often. I get to fight with boys. That’s sooo fun.
Tuesday is a rest day.
Wednesday is a CrossFit day (Metabolic conditioning/Strength workouts)
Thursday usually I workout at home, but sometimes I go to GardDawg’s CrossFit class.
Friday I usually hit another CrossFit workout.
Saturday Krav and CrossFit (both taught by garddawg (krav class usually has 2-4 instructors) and I love the Bas tapes (if you’re not tired do some jumping squats!), though we usually are NOT getting yelled at by a tape. It’s usually live. \”what the hell was that?\” \”Crap, sir?\” \”yes it was. Do it better!\” \”Yes sir\”
Sunday usually off.I have been missing Krav lately due to some scheduling stuff. My son likes to go to the kids classes at Brand X so if he wants me to take him, I can’t really get out to the KM class by 9 because getting kids ready adds complications. It’s not because I am sleeping in. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Krav Princess, We generally have small classes. It’s not usually practical to avoid training with someone that annoys you or that you don’t think is a good partner. And like you, I usually have the same partner for a class depending on the class time or type of class.
Some people like to go really hard but might not realize they are actually making you uncomfortable. I just told a partner recently: You can keep making hard contact druing the counters but just know that I might have to start fighting back. I think with most partners if you have preferences about contact, talking during tech work, them instructing you instead of just letting you practice then speak up. Either the person will adjust or if they don’t, and you have the luxury of picking a nother partner, they will know why.
Normall no protective gear (guys I believe wear a cup. Well, the smart ones do). If we are advised to do so, a mouth guard.
To protect our partners sometimes we don boxing gloves.
Hi, GK…about 10 years ago I was diagnosed with borderline high blood pressure (140/80 ish) and put on medication after all the tests could not pinpoint a cause (later I found out it runs in my materhnal family). Pregnancy and childbirth exascerbated it but then it went back to pre pregnancy levels.
My doctor told me stress raises blood pressure temporarily (then it normalizes) and that in only a few people does salt intake affect blood pressure. I’ve never heard anyone else say that, though. I don’t know what new studies have come out since the ages of the low salt low fat approach to blood pressure issues.
I have been doing CrossFit for going on 3 years. I think I need to get a check up to see where my BP is. I occasionally check it with a home cuff and it seems to run about 130/70.
As far as general vs specific fitness goes, I’ve come from getting winded when going up one flight of stairs to being able complete very intense workouts without passing out. 😉 I’m stronger, faster, more coordinated and fitter than I have ever been. I train specific things like Krav Maga, and some cage fighting stuff at Brand X. I know for a fact that these specific areas have benefited from the General fitness – I can hit harder, push myself longer, be more aggressive and am more confident in my ability to hold my own against a bigger \”stronger\” person. I’ve gone from being VERY challenged to even complete a KM drill to finishing one up ready for another. Aggression drills are more about aggression than trying not to collapse during the drill.
JewishFitness’s original question was: How long does it take to get very fit while doing Krav? I would say that it would take you three times longer to get to where ever you think that is, if you only train self defense as opposed to adding in 3 CrossFit workouts a week.
I think I am pretty darn Fit but only about half as Fit as GD’s son. If you want to see my workout history, there is a good 2 years worth at http://laurarcrossfit.blogspot.com
I would describe GardDawg as VERY FIT. He might dispute that but that’s because he is also VERY MODEST. 😆
I’ve trained under GardDawg in three different disciplines for a couple of years – going on three. His advice is dead on. I have gained more in every area by cutting things OUT of my diet and working more intensely than even taking ephedra back before they decided it could kill you. 😉
Just call me \”Robin\”. hehe.
Yeah, it’s busy right now for Brand X – they have a lot of irons in the fire. He and Mikki have just put out their latest CrossFit Kids magazine (another shameles plug – http://crossfitkids.com) and the press deadline is 15th ofthe month. 😉
Glad I could be of assistance.
Hey…I am usually just lurking but I know GardDawg is swamped right now and is not able to stop in here much at the the moment. Our KM classes are populated with several people who are using CrossFit (also a base service of Brand X along with the MA/SD classes) as their strength and conditioning.
Here’s a link to the CrossFit workouts, scaled for beginners and intermediate folks as well as the \”as prescribed\” workouts from CrossFit.com.
http://forum.brandxmartialarts.com/viewforum.php?f=16
Our best results come from a combination of Zone Diet and CrossFit conditioning. I have realized a noticeable improvement in striking accuracy, coordination, endurance, aggressiveness, confidence AND strength by doing CrossFit consistently along with my spotty KM training. In the last year, I reduced my body fat composition noticably by kicking up the intensity and adding some Zone components to my diet. The stricter I am with the eating plan, the happier I am with my body composition. I’m sure the Zone can be used in cunjunction with the dietary laws.
So, although we probaby can’t help with the Kosher aspect, go to the forum and sign up. Jeff, Mikki or any of the many excellent trainers will be happy to answer any questions. They have a KM topic and a Diet/Nutrition section as well. 🙂
Good luck finding the information you’re looking for!
My guess is most of you guys/gals started training in some other fighting discipline BEFORE learning Krav? Maybe not. If you started with Krav, and are taking other MA’s chime in. 🙂
I started Muay Thai training a year and a half ago. Started Krav training in January (very intermittent). I would say the last year of training in MT, \”helped\” my Krav in that I know the basic strikes, and some defenses to basic strikes before stepping into the classroom. My MT instructors are also KM students and I would say they bring a lot of the SD perspective and aggressive tactics into the MT classes and so when I stepped into my first KM class I didn’t feel like a total noob. Also they train in Kenpo. They are very efficient and as far as I can tell devastating fighters. I would not recommend anyone go up against either of them on the street.
As far as I can tell there are aspects of Krav that you have to get from Krav training. As the more experienced posters stated, Krav is so SD oriented, and so distilled that no other MA approaches it in speed of acquisition and focus on disabling your attacker with extreme predjudice.
…and the point of my rambling is this: Any training that increases your speed, concentration, coordination and reflexes will \”help\” your Krav. Go for it. I’m taking everything I can get. ….hmmmm, kenpo… 🙂
I swear by CrossFit – http://crossfit.com – develops strength, speed, balance, endurance etc with emphasis on functionality, intensity and variance.
MMA fighters are catching on to this as a great conditioning program and it scales to folks who don’t have any/much fitness training.
And it’s FUN!
heh. I get all nervous just reading the guy’s story. I am considering attending some sparring classes. A couple of my instructors encouraged me to go. I think the classes are controlled sparring for KM and possibly free sparring for Muay Thai.
Anyway, I am insterested in the instuctors’ points of view. I can see myself freezing up in a sparring situation, since even in partner drills sometimes I get self concious and end up taking blows I (and the instructor) know I could block or counter.
I don’t want to leave the sparring class practically in tears! 😉 But then again, isn’t defending under mental duress one thing sparring should teach?
I had the honor of watching an entire level one exam back in October at Brand X Martial Arts. I knew almost all of the students and was VERY proud that everyone finished the test with honor (and some with flair). The seminar portion was grueling as the students got a quick review and performed every level one technique before the test began. All of the testing students were visibly exhausted before the graded portion of the exam started. The techniques were then performed again, with the instructors again observing the students and marking their evaluations as they went along.
By the time the test was finished everyone had been pushed to their limit and not one of them gave up. I would say the most important thing to remember going in is that your determination and your will to continue regardless of your physical state are what will get you through the test.
I’m hoping some of my friends will pop in here and post how it felt to do the test. Watching was very intense but I don’t think I could even begin to describe what they went through.
Good luck when you are ready to test. One day, I hope to take that test, and if you get a chance to watch one before you take it yourself, I think that might be helpful in preparing you for the mental and physical toughness it obviously takes.
Try this:
At the main forum page, right click on General Topics and choose Add To Favorites from the menu.
I think that should do it.
Laura
quote :I am more worried about these girls discovering they really have no clue how to fight than worrying about timid girls that are still resitant to punching bags and contact drills, but who are in some real life combative program.There is a thread on the Brand X forum about exactly that. If you are teaching women (or men) a \”martial art\” that is purely for exercise, and not telling them it is useless for self defense, you are basically lying to them and putting them in danger.
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quote \”johnny_fred\:Ok, i’m confused. I have the exercises, but what do I do for each workout if I can’t do crossfit.Hi, Johnny. Sorry this is getting confusing. First of all, ANYONE can do Crossfit. Don’t let those WOD descriptions dissuade you. All of the workouts can be modified so that a person of any age or fitness level can do them – and you would still be doing CrossFit. A six year old member of Brand X (a certified Krav Maga AND Crossfit center) did one of the most recent WOD by having Jeff lower the weight and length of the run. He did a great job. (ok, it was GardDawg’s son, but he’s still only 6!)
My suggestion would be, if you want to try crossfit but are just put off by the descriptions of the workouts, go over to CrossFit.com and sign up on their message forums and introduce yourself. Garddawg and I post there and a lot of really helpful people are there to give appropriate modifications and advice.
You are obviously a very determined person, to take Krav and set up that really grueling workout you listed here. I’m sure you will love CrossFit if you just TRY it. You won’t have to bother with making your own workout plan and you will be surprised at how effective the training is.
You can email me if you want to talk about it off the forum: ruckerl @ saic.com during business hours or rucker760 @ cox.net after 4pm PST.(Take out spaces on the sides of the @ if you copy these to your email program.)
Again, since I’m not sure what you mean when you say \”can’t do CrossFit\”, I’m just basing my answer on assumpions. Let me know if I’m way off base. Or if you want me to just go away. 😆
