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Giant Killer, thanks for making me laugh! OK, I should clarify that I \”rarely\” get road rage now, as opposed to, maybe, every 5 minutes before? I have definitely not become a zen master.
To build on what Hollywood said, about not flipping out over things, I have had that experience too where I am just calmer and don’t get a \”fight\” response from everyday things.
It makes me wonder, how does Krav training compare to a court ordered anger management class? I was probably a candidate for one of those, but thankfully took up Krav before that ever became a requirement.
Anyone been to anger management or had a \”friend\” that did, and care to comment? How does it work, exactly?
No six pack here, except the drinking variety (maybe that’s why?) 😕
The biggest change for me is I don’t get road rage anymore.
Also better self confidence
CLFMack: \”Sunny SD- does the instructor ever stab people who AREN’T grappling? I ask because its as easy to get fixated on a joint lock as it is on striking or vice versa.\”
No, that’s a great question!
We do those drills, though, in groups of three where there are 2 attacking/defending, and a third person comes in with a weapon and we do a weapon defense. So the instructor himself doesn’t do that, just makes it part of the drill.
But we’ve only once done something similar on the ground. I think more of that would be useful.
I have to admit, that my experience with joint locks is almost non-existent, other than a couple of wrist locks and a \”finger-snapper\”.
While submission moves are generally discouraged in our class, for reasons that make sense to me, I would like to learn more of them to round out my options.
\”submission holds are only \”submissions\” in the gym in training..in the street they are breaks and dislocations and serve the prupose of ending a fight much quicker then strikes would.\”
Not all strikes can end a fight, but neither will all attempts to dislocate or break limbs. My concern is a successful submission usually requires the opponent to be immobilized (on the ground, in the guard, etc.).
Once a fighter is in that position, my thought is they will be vulnerable to third party attacks, as their attention will be focused on the limb they are breaking.
I like the part of KM that trains fighting with 360 degree awareness and an emphasis on escaping. The reason to dissuade active grappling is it narrows the focus to a single item, the limb, and takes attention away from the opponent’s buddy that’s coming over to help out.
That’s why our instructor likes to slowly walk over with a rubber knife in plain view, and \”stabs\” the people that are rolling around on the ground.
Not that I wouldn’t like to learn some of that stuff, it just seems that it would create more dangers than benefits.
\”Finishing quickly\” is definitely a recurring theme in our class, if our instructor catches us messing around with armbars or other submission holds, he casually walks over with a rubber knife to make the point (no pun intended) that in the street submission holds leave you vulnerable to attacks with weapons.
One way that KM facilitates a quick finish, is by attacking from a passive position, with speed and without telegraphing. And, \”finishing\” may not mean knocking someone out, it could just mean to stun enough so you may get away.
GK: \”Should we practice/discuss these types of situations more? So a KM student doesn’t make the mistake of using too much force and ends up getting arrested himself? Or too little and gets hurt?\”
I’m with Kravjeff, do enough damage to take the opponent out of the fight, and take your chances with the legal system.
It’s one thing to be arrested, it’s another thing to be found guilty of a crime. It seems to me that if you act in self defense, or defense of another, and injure an attacker you may be arrested but with luck won’t be found guilty of a crime. The risk of arrest is probably a given if you use force,
If you kill someone in this process, that’s a whole different matter. I would probably take care to not kill someone, rather than not injure someone, unless the situation warranted it.
Let us know! And, are you getting him to talk while he’s holding the gun? If you initiate your defense while he’s issuing a command you’ll gain ~.5 seconds.
The KM gun defense works! I use it successfuly against combat vet marines. And if my instructor’s feedback is any guide, I’m getting it only about half right.
Good luck, and I hope this technique comes together for you.
I almost feel like I’m hijacking this thread by getting back to the topic! 🙂
I like the focus on countering, and agree that it jibes with KMs defensive philosophy. It also emphasizes a point, that \”your strongest moment is your weakest moment.\” Example, someone winding up and throwing a \”haymaker\” can do a lot of damage if it lands, but is wide open to a defense.
I’m not familiar with NTCs advertising, but I think it’s appropriate to promote the fitness aspect of KM. I would think that a fit person has a higher self esteem and is less likely to be victimized, so just being fit should itself be part of a defensive system.
Also, it’s hard to run away effectively if you have a resting pulse of 90!
\”I am happy with waiting JUST 3 or 4 years because up until 6 months ago they were all saying no training and no lifting heavy objects EVER.\”
If my doctor said that I would just stick to 12 oz curls…works for John Daly
\”However, I’d execute something similar to our gun/hostage defense: pluck the weapon (in this case, the wrist) forward with the inside hand (in this case, the right) and then bring the other hand up to help control.\”
After bringing the other hand up to control, I could see rotating to the right while stomping the foot, or kneeing the groin if you can turn enough without getting stabbed. Then if things are going well you might be in a position for a cavalier.
In our class we’ve done defenses against knife held to the throat from the front, and the side, but not from behind like this. Yikes!
\”Is the training similar to civilan KM…or what are the differences?
Is it a more simplified version?\”
I’ve heard comparisons of \”brutal\” and \”focusing on kill moves\” vs. \”more refined\” and \”more defensive\” when comparing military vs. civilian.
Also, I’ve heard the military version being taught over a 2 week period (maybe less, according to these posts?), whereas civilians have the opportunity to train 10-15 years to attain expert levels. So that may be the more \”refined\” part.
I’d be more impressed if the \”opponent\” were fighting back, or at least recoiling after punching…does anyone fight like that in UFC or Pride? What would happen if they did? (leaving out the groin kicks and chops to the throat)
Fun to watch though…
