Groin Kicks is all there is

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Re: Groin Kicks is all there is

Aw shucks. But FTF says he likes getting hit full power so I think you should oblige him. ;):

[cearball]

Re: Groin Kicks is all there is

I know this is something of a dead thread but regarding what FearTheFighter said about using boxing for knives I think that in a way he is right & in a way he is wrong.

As far as I recall Imi was a boxer & wrestler, they used these techniques for streetfights & although they survived they realised some adaptations needed to be made.

I am also a fan of Geoff Thompson who believes that IF you could only choose one sport orientated art boxing would be the one for the street.

http://www.knucklepit.com/mixed-martial-arts-geoff_thompson.htm

So I dont feel the poster was too far off when he said about using boxing as a knife defence, as I feel that the most important element of the knife defence is the counter attack to the jaw/throat. You cant just keep blocking the knife with the arm & hope to win you need to shake that guys brain & give your self a second of breathing space to do something.

Me & my mate didn’t have alot of faith in the knife defence so I tried the downward stab & upward oriental hold stab while my friend wore one 160z glove on his striking hand. The key to stopping the attack was in the punch not the block. It made me have more faith in the bursting defence & come to the conclusion that if I block make sure I hit & hit hard. Even if the block misses finish the punch.

Just my 2 cents

[lennykravist]

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quote Cearball:

I know this is something of a dead thread but regarding what FearTheFighter said about using boxing for knives I think that in a way he is right & in a way he is wrong.

As far as I recall Imi was a boxer & wrestler, they used these techniques for streetfights & although they survived they realised some adaptations needed to be made.

I am also a fan of Geoff Thompson who believes that IF you could only choose one sport orientated art boxing would be the one for the street.

http://www.knucklepit.com/mixed-martial-arts-geoff_thompson.htm

So I dont feel the poster was too far off when he said about using boxing as a knife defence, as I feel that the most important element of the knife defence is the counter attack to the jaw/throat. You cant just keep blocking the knife with the arm & hope to win you need to shake that guys brain & give your self a second of breathing space to do something.

Me & my mate didn’t have alot of faith in the knife defence so I tried the downward stab & upward oriental hold stab while my friend wore one 160z glove on his striking hand. The key to stopping the attack was in the punch not the block. It made me have more faith in the bursting defence & come to the conclusion that if I block make sure I hit & hit hard. Even if the block misses finish the punch.

Just my 2 cents

I don’t think it’s so much what the guy said, it’s more his attitude that sucked. He was treating his outlook as all that was right and didn’t appear to take kindly to others disputing him, and started flinging insults. He completely lost me when he started labeling beginners in classes as “noobs” and “ladies.” He seemed to forget that everyone is a beginner at some point, and clearly he hasn’t paired up with some of the women in my classes! Otherwise he probably wouldn’t have used that term in a demeaning light. In any event, he seems gone and that’s fine. He can go do his thing in MMA or wherever else he feels he can get “superior” training.

[kmyoshi]

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quote Cearball:

I know this is something of a dead thread but regarding what FearTheFighter said about using boxing for knives I think that in a way he is right & in a way he is wrong.

As far as I recall Imi was a boxer & wrestler, they used these techniques for streetfights & although they survived they realised some adaptations needed to be made.

I am also a fan of Geoff Thompson who believes that IF you could only choose one sport orientated art boxing would be the one for the street.

http://www.knucklepit.com/mixed-martial-arts-geoff_thompson.htm

So I dont feel the poster was too far off when he said about using boxing as a knife defence, as I feel that the most important element of the knife defence is the counter attack to the jaw/throat. You cant just keep blocking the knife with the arm & hope to win you need to shake that guys brain & give your self a second of breathing space to do something.

Me & my mate didn’t have alot of faith in the knife defence so I tried the downward stab & upward oriental hold stab while my friend wore one 160z glove on his striking hand. The key to stopping the attack was in the punch not the block. It made me have more faith in the bursting defence & come to the conclusion that if I block make sure I hit & hit hard. Even if the block misses finish the punch.

Just my 2 cents

Yes, the counter attack is one of the most important components to stopping a knife attack (or any weapon attack really) because you’re disrupting their OODA loop (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act/Attack) but it’s really hard to attack back if you’re dead… or incapacitated… so the redirect needs to happen first. A straight stab is much more dangerous because of human’s crappy depth perception, and it’ll come down to how much distance each person has. If you’re smaller and have shorter arms, you’re already at a disadvantage because the knife increases their attack range. A downward ice pick type attack or an underhand stab, you have a little bit more room to get a punch in or even an offensive or defensive push kick before the strike will hit you. A straight stab… questionable.

[cearball]

Re: Groin Kicks is all there is

I am not saying the block/body defence isn’t important.

Just that it is the thing I see most people I used to train with focus on probably because you can train a block 100% but not the strike part.

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