Krav Maga and CrossFit

[nemo-dat]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

Again let’s clarify, I’m not saying it sucks. I’m saying that its proponents should realize, which Iím sure many do, that there are many other options out there can and will produce as good or better results. Frankly the proper use tae-bo, PX-90, HRT or miscellaneous steroid guruís slin/tren/test/GH cycle incorporated into a properly designed fitness regime will also work… (not that I endorse any of them). My take would be that the consistent use of any program will create plateaus and that a knowledgeable trainer, aware of your goals, could prepare a much better program. That program could incorporate power lifting, altitude hill training, hypertrophy specific training, mma circuit training and perhaps some ìcross-fitî too.

Here is some misc stuff to take a look at:

Couture grappling circuit training:

[COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff]http://buildingbodies.ca/exercise/index.php/randy-couture-workout-for-mma-conditioning/[/COLOR]

http://liftbig.blogspot.com/2007/10/video-of-week.html

Hypertrophy Specific Training:

http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hst_index.html

Westside

[COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff]http://www.criticalbench.com/westside-barbell.htm[/COLOR]

Periodisation for MMA

http://www.mmauniverse.com/articles/SS54

[nemo-dat]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

quote garddawg:

Nemo,
Most CF trainers use the principle to personalize workouts for individual trainees, and groups.

Sorry our posts crossed.

Amen to that.

Yes, that is my point. The same principles used by cross fit have and used by many, like the Pitt, like MFS like Rooney’s IFL porgrams… the list does go on.

[garddawg]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

Sure. It is about goals. We are about fitness, gpp. CrossFit alliterated what the goals were and defined what GPP is. Others have either copied that or made vague assertions about becoming more fit or more healthy. CF defined what they meant by that.

I have yet to find someone come through our doors who can compete on gpp terms who doesn’t use the principles outlined by CrossFit. Sure the powerlifter can lift more, but he can’t run the runner might have a 4:30 mile but he has no strength.
The Crossfitter is looking for a compromise across multi parameters. I want to deadlift 400 pounds, and be able to run a 5:00 minute mile

[jeremy-stafford]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

quote Nemo_Dat:

A ringing endorsement would be its use by premier athletes. Specifically those that make their living in combat sports. Military and para-military use (just like with KM) implies that its an easy to use system that will fit a variety of individuals reasonably well. this does NOT imply that it is the best system. In fact this mass appeal is why it cannot be that great and why its use by groups signals less than a ringing endorsement. Personal training by someone that knows what they are doing will surpass the use of an off the shelf system any day.

hmmm… That’s strange….I could’ve sworn we were on a krav forum and not a professional MMA fighter forum…. Most people on this forum are lucky to be able to train 3 days a week. A scaleable, principle based program is exactly what most of us here need. If you have the time to devote to a professional fighter program, then great. That does not fit the perameters of most krav students, and hence the vast majority of this boards users.

[nemo-dat]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

quote garddawg:

Sure. It is about goals. We are about fitness, gpp. CrossFit alliterated what the goals were and defined what GPP is. Others have either copied that or made vague assertions about becoming more fit or more healthy. CF defined what they meant by that.

I have yet to find someone come through our doors who can compete on gpp terms who doesn’t use the principles outlined by CrossFit. Sure the powerlifter can lift more, but he can’t run the runner might have a 4:30 mile but he has no strength.
The Crossfitter is looking for a compromise across multi parameters. I want to deadlift 400 pounds, and be able to run a 5:00 minute mile

I think we both know we are talking about the same thing. For sure its a slick product, and hey, if it gets people in shape, way to go.

[nemo-dat]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

quote Jeremy Stafford:

hmmm… That’s strange….I could’ve sworn we were on a krav forum and not a professional MMA fighter forum…. Most people on this forum are lucky to be able to train 3 days a week. A scaleable, principle based program is exactly what most of us here need. If you have the time to devote to a professional fighter program, then great. That does not fit the perameters of most krav students, and hence the vast majority of this boards users.

Yes you are correct, it is good for the masses. So are other programs and some, designed by a knowledgeable trainer, could conceivably be better.

[garddawg]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

quote Nemo_Dat:

Yes you are correct, it is good for the masses. So are other programs and some, designed by a knowledgeable trainer, could conceivably be better.

Cool. The CrossFit Games are next weekend. Bring your training log, show up and compete. Show how using principles other than the ones outlined by CF you can beat CF’ers at GPP. That would be cool.

[stevetuna]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

quote garddawg:

Cool. The CrossFit Games are next weekend. Bring your training log, show up and compete. Show how using principles other than the ones outlined by CF you can beat CF’ers at GPP. That would be cool.

And there it is. Put up or shut up. ‘Nuff said.

[nemo-dat]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

quote stevetuna:

And there it is. Put up or shut up. ‘Nuff said.

:rolleyes: “’nuff said” LMFAO. Sure guys I’ll get right on that for next weekend. While we are at it do you wanna drop em and measure as well… are you guys for real?

You have all convinced me. No one has ever though of the principles used in Cross Fit before. For combat training you just canít beat Cross Fit cuz well itís really all about GPP and there is no specificity component to it at all. It is truly the best everÖ no, no I mean itÖ like EVER.

[simon]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

I think you might have done a little better of getting your point across. I don’t think people blindly follow everything said here in the forums but at the same time all you had to say was “just keep an open mind that there are other options available other then Crossfit”

I’ve never done CF, never even seen it. My school doesn’t have it so I take bag class and go to the gym.

Just out of curiosity are you a certified trainer or fitness expert or??

[simon]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

And just an FYI, I don’t know this Gardawg guy, never even talked to him. But I have seen him in the forums for a very long time now.

Theres a reason he has so many little green dots, because he’s always helping people.

[true007]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

Hello all went to CF site and saw that they have a combatives system. How does this relate to KM? The two names that I saw on the videos are John Hackleman and Tony Blauer does anybody train with them? I am just curious.

True007

[nemo-dat]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

quote Simon:

I think you might have done a little better of getting your point across. I donít think people blindly follow everything said here in the forums but at the same time all you had to say was ìjust keep an open mind that there are other options available other then Crossfitî

Iíve never done CF, never even seen it. My school doesnít have it so I take bag class and go to the gym.

Just out of curiosity are you a certified trainer or fitness expert or??

Thanks, I agree, could have been handled better. Yes I was a personal trainer and have a fair amount of experience with training and sports performance.

[garddawg]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

There was a point in time where the Gracie’s were laughed at for issuing there challenge, but they changed how we look at fighting, nae.

My first coaching job was a high school swim team in 1978. Been training ever since. The point I was trying to make is, you haven’t done your homework regarding CF. If you had you would know that we are only interested in GPP, and that we are there to support the specialist.

Regarding Hackleman and Blauer. Know them both, both are CF trainers. Have spent some time with Hackelman both at the Pit and at his home gym. Trained a little with Blauers stuff. Excellent addition to any system.

[unstpabl1]

Re: Krav Maga and CrossFit

:jerry: This has been a fun read

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