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Re: Iki ?
quote CJs Dad:Tim I’m good just got a new detail so been working crazy hours. Work/kids/sleep rinse repeat.Well it sounds like you’re busy, I hope it’s a good kind of busy. I just retired from public service and will now focus more on what I love to do!!
Stay in touch!!
Re: Iki ?
quote SicPuppy:Here is a thought…We know Krav (of any flavor) is too dangerous to be used in sparring, because it is not all these fancy moves and contacts and points…
How about we get some inmates… the violent felon type… and go to town… this way we can use full force against someone fighting back… lol
Well, it is a thought anyway… Maybe it is just wishful thinking… lol
Actually I have had the privilege of doing just that a few times on tac call outs. KM stands the test just fine!!
Don’t tell anyone, but it was pretty gratifying!!
Re: Iki ?
quote KevinMack:The move to Tucson was tentative as my brother lives out there but my plans changed.Well, I hope it all worked out for the best any way…..
Re: Iki ?
quote Cottonwood-Combat:Hello Ryan, for the record, the video you posted a link to was recorded well before my affiliation with Moshe.In fact it was mostly stuff from when I was with another, substantial US KM org. Some from working with a certain instructor in FL.
I really wish you guys would respect me enough to ask me about things like this before just posting it in a forum.
I have proven time and again I am a reasonable person. Even after the horrific attacks I endured, as my welcome for simply wanting some info, on this very forum!!
I don’t care if you agree with everything I say or do, but at least show me the courtesy of including me in the things you plan to include my material in. I certainly would do that for each of you. Most of you know how to reach me.
Hey Donavin, sorry I didn’t get around to your shop while I was in Vegas!! Next time man, I promise!
Kevin – I heard you opened a school in Tucson. How is it going?
Sean – I miss the debates brother….. Did I say something offensive in our last? I appreciate the openness with which you approach things. Shoot me an email sometime, let me know how your doing.
Be well all.
Re: Iki ?
Hello Ryan, for the record, the video you posted a link to was recorded well before my affiliation with Moshe.
Re: Bursting
quote Kirsten:Here in the US, it has saved countless lives in LE (if we are still talking about the same technique)… I suppose we need to look at more than just the techniques, but also the enviroment in which they are to be used.Agreed.
The cases to which I referred were a combination of collateral damage caused by the redirection of the gun upon it’s being grabbed by either 1) flinch reaction causing it to be fired (sometimes hitting lochem, sometimes hostage, sometimes innocent bystander, etc.) or 2) the “bad guy” pulling the gun right out of the “defender’s” hand by stepping back and yanking really hard. A person’s single hand against the momentum and strength of an alert or determined attacker just isn’t always enough especially when adding the force of being hit by the “defender” which tends to add to the “bad guy’s” backward momentum. Then the attacker just unloaded the weapon at anyone that could be shot.
Krav Maga is such a diverse system; since it is based on principle and not techniques alone. There is something good with most of the variations. Even those which really should not be called Krav Maga, because they do not adhere to any of the principles, have some good in them.
Re: Bursting
quote leejam99:just because its new or “current” doesn’t make it better. if it aint broke…Hi all, I know this is an older thread and the comment I have quoted here wasn’t exactly put here yesterday, but I felt compelled to offer a bit of an apology.
In my saying “old Krav” methods (my first reply to this thread) I in no way meant those methods were invalid. I was honestly just putting the concepts into chronilogical order. One is older than the other. So if the way I worded that came across as insulting, please forgive that.
As Itay put it when he explained it to me, and I have heard Moshe repeat many times, “good lochem (fighters/operators) lost their lives using ‘that’ method and so we had to change it”.
Just because it failed those circumstances does not mean it would fail all. However, when the Israeli gov’t puts over $1 million (US equivelant) into training a single operator and nearly as much each year keeping ’em up to speed, a single failure in the field which results in a loss, means the technique needs replaced.
Train hard – Live well.
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Re: Roy Elghanayan – ?
Hey Unstpbl1:
Thanks for the tips – I am an avid reader. I typically have 3-4 books going at a time.
See ya’
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Re: Roy Elghanayan – ?
quote Edub:true, skill itsself doesn’t make it big in america.
I am in america now, Baltimore.
Big Krav scene in Arizona?Sorry it took me so long to reply – I didn’t get an email letting me know someone had posted after me.
There are about 5 KMWW schools here – all in the Phoenix Valley and Tucson areas.
We now have 2 shops, one in the Verde Valley and another starting soon in Scottsdale.
Just got some good updates from Moshe and Sharir Richman @ Protect in Jerusalem. I haven’t heard from or spoken to Roy in a few months – I should give him a call…….
Take Care,
CCRe: Roy Elghanayan – ?
quote Edub:Definitly unorthodox, even within the army he did stuff we knew he wasn’t allowed to do. But, after training i also found him very nice.
By Itay, you mean Itay Gill, right? He also trained our unit toward the end of our training, in his facility under the stadium. I wonder if he remembers me, i was the only american in duvdavan.
Itay was a great instructor, very animated, didn’t sugar coat anything, and he even spoke to me in english when i didn’t understand.Hi Edub,
Yes, Itay Gil….. Roy and I are working on bringing him here (Arizona) sometime. Last I heard, from another member of our org. that he is considering joining our organization. It’s tough to work without backing here in the US. His skill should stand alone, but in the US it takes more than that to really be successful.
Are you in the US now?
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Re: Roy Elghanayan – ?
quote unstpabl1:Just finished AAron Cohens’ book on the Duvdevan or his expirienceNot cool man – :angry: No review ??!!??:combat:
You gotta’ fill us in PLZ :):
Seriously, I’d like to hear about it. I read an interesting book not long ago called By Way of Deception, which is of course part of Duvdevan’s motto. This book however was a docu-drama which the movie Munich was based on. Former Mossad agent and such…….
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Re: Bursting
quote jstrauss:Which leads me again to the unanswered question I posted a few days back on another thread: how are the techniques KMWW uses updated, and who is the technique committee that discusses them?Sorry, I can’t help. I don’t know anything about the inner workings of KMWW passed 1999-2000. I just haven’t followed them. I used to have lots of friends involved with them, now I have one or two good acquaintances with them but that’s all.
I’d PM Ryan Hoover. Good guy, knowledgeable and willing to answer reasonable questions.
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Re: Roy Elghanayan – ?
quote Edub:I trained with him as a member of a special forces unit called duvdavan, while i was doing basic training on the paratrooper’s base.
He was a very hard (good) instructor! i learned a lot from him, and took a lot of punches and kicks from him.
I’m new to this site, by the way. Hello all.Hi Edub!! Welcome!!
I checked up on him a bit with Itay during a two and a half hour conversation not long ago. He’s legit, but as unorthodox in his teaching as Itay is often said to be. I take comments like that as a grain of salt though, since Itay is in our lineage and I find his stuff top-notch!!
Last fall he attended Moshe’s seminar at UCLA and they got along very well. Moshe said he is a very courteous person. Every time I talk to Roy, I find this to be the case as well.
From what I can tell, he’s as talented as he is personable.
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Re: Bursting
quote TKO99:I am having trouble with the advancing straight punch as part of the gun defense from the front. I can burst laterally and such… but right now my problem is that I am hopping as I advance with the straight punch. Don’t know why I’m doing that. I used to be able to do the advancing straight punch right from a neutral stance. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! I feel like a pitcher who developed a bad habit and need a minor adjustment to correct that bad habit but I can’t pinpoint the bad habit/bad mechanics 🙁Thanks in advance!!
Hi TKO,
I wish I could help you, but in our Krav Maga we train specifically to concern ourselves with collateral damage, using our techniques while exhausted, while wearing a heavy pack, and so on…. We don’t use the the old methods of grabbing the firearm while using the straight punch. Itay began developing what we do while he was the lead tactics instructor to the Israeli Border Police Hostage Rescue Unit (YAMAM). So the above concerns were integral. It would not look good if the hostage rescue team used tactics which led to a hostage being shot because they got muzzled during a disarm. He was LOCHEM for 20 years and took on the additional responsibility of lead tactics instructor after about 3 years. Soon after this he convinced his commander they needed to revise “everything” they were doing. After seeing his ideas, they adopted them. He still serves the IDF as a tactics trainer to several special operations units and as an advisor on high priority missions.
Itay prefers to stick more closely to the principle of going from defense to offense as quickly as possible. Since Imi initiated that principle, many have modified it to sound identical to JKD and insist in those being simultaneous. This is preferable in some circumstances, but not all. Where a firearm is concerned, Itay (and Moshe Katz) teach(es) to first put a barrier between the attacker and his ability to regain the ability to control the firearm. My mindset on the matter, is there is no better change from defense to offense than taking the firearm in the most efficient and effective manner and reducing the liklihood of their ability to counter it. All the while keeping those around me from being muzzled by the weapon and the other reasons I mentioned above. For these reasons, and many others, I prefer Itay’s methods.
For instance, when in the police academy many years ago, I learned methods of regaining the line of fire against a “bad guy” who manages to get a hand on my weapon. If police know how to do this, you can count on bad guys knowing it too. With Itay’s method it is much more difficult to do this because you use your body as the barrier to control the weapon. It makes it nearly impossible to regain control of the weapon and you can then use your entire body to effect the disarm instead of just your hand against his. I hope this makes sense.
We use bursting on knife attacks only.
Sorry I could not be of more assistance.:dunno:
A couple links to videos showing what I mean:
Bew ell,
CCRe: Roy Elghanayan – ?
Actually, since I posted this, I have introduced Roy to the founder of our org and have spoken to him several times on the phone. I even sent him some business when someone near him contacted me. My original post was simply to put feelers out (for lack of a better expression). It was never meant to be derogatory……
Be well,
Tim
