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Re: Is Krav Maga similar to Jeet Kune Do?
quote KevinMack:Honestly..having trained in both…They are have some similarities in concept but they are more different than alike.
Honestly…the strongest influence on KM is boxing,Judo/Ju Jitsu and Aikido. yes,,Aikido has a very strong presence in Krav Maga if you know where to look. Imi’s first two black belts and the guys who helped him build the system(Eli Avikzar and Raffi Elgrissi) were black belts in Aikido and its influence on our system can be seen through it. In fact Raffi teaches Aikido along with Krav Maga to this day. I hesitate to even tell people this because Aikido training these days is kind of a joke and not very practical but its the truth.
This is why I cringe when people say that KM is not a martial art but a reality based self defense system because from the start has its roots in traditional martial arts and that was the culture Imi’s schools had and some still do to this day in Israel.Hey Kevin, great response, a pleasure to read.
also, many probably didn’t hear of “Krav Magen”, but Krav magen is flow of Imi’s Krav Maga(similar to Krav maga under Haim Gidon) which is centered in israel and was created by Eli Avikzar(of blessed memory) Imi’s top student. From the littel i know,
Eli Avikzar was heavily influneced by aikido, and other MA’s, and was always improving and trying to make the system better, which eventually led him to create his own organization.It’s fair to say that what Eli Avikzar was doing back then, is what most of the other top students are doing today. which is ever evolving, and making the system better, with the knowledge they have.
Re: KM vs Jiu Jitsu
To begin with It’s hard to refer to KM as a MA compared to jiu jitsu, or bjj.
KM is not a subtitude to jiu jitsu nor any other MA. Krav is kind of a jack of all trades. you can find wrestling and boxing in it, you can find jiu jitsu in it, one organization even implmented techniques after being shut down on the ground by Gracie’s practitioners in one of their’s visits as well.
Those who teach Krav are often very fluent in other MA’s as it enhance their overall training and performance when doing krav. practitioners in other MA’s can easily spot and recognize stuff that krav do that they already fimilar with.
you could probably search for instructors who specialize in KM but also got jiu jitsu background. guess you would hit the jackpot if you found one.
Re: Pretty good article on Foxnews.com
Timmy, on what basis? and if given somebody will get rid of the parazite, can it return later on, or the poor thing is sentenced for life?
Re: Israel and Iran ???
i doubt a republican will win the presidency. they are trying real hard to not get elected by discussing about woman;s vagina’s most of the time.
anyways, the U.S has sank deep enough in wars all over the world. wars that could easily be avoided, and perhaps make it easier to deal with the economic crisis.
personally, i think israel should have made political steps to try and ease the tension down. bring back some of the settlements for one, or try and push forward negotiations. try and decide once and for all where about we want our border to cross. instead, we are busy building more settlements, and trying our best to push religious legislations that only benefit the jews. it’s pretty sad.
before we ask the world to do something about our problem, the least i would expect from our goverment is to do something to help as well. truth is, current goverment is doing everything they can to make the iranian regime even more eager about eliminating them. frankly, if i were iranian and there was this small tiny country in nowhere waging war against me every day of the week – i’m not sure if i would stay silent and not just blow them off at some point.
if at all, we should be silent and let the world deal with it.
on this one i’m siding with our ex mossad head meir dagan and others who arent favoring an attack on iran in the current period of time. It should be only considered as the last resort of preventing guaranteed war. i dont think we at this position right now.
Re: My observations on Krav Maga culture,it’s growth and instructors.
i honestly think that firstly: when fitness is on the matter, or even when not, instructors should learn the basics which fitness trainers may go through. before they’re KM instructors, they also are fitness instructors.
i think the scenario of someone passing knowledge from one to another doesnt really hold ground when it refers to KM, or maybe even most MA’s.
KM organizations dont hesitate to mention everytime how KM is a military based program, however, what they ofcourse tend to forget and implement in their structures is that every KM/fitness trainer in the army must pass a course that certify them to train before they even teach any curriculum.
the drills might be similar, the idea is the same. but when it comes to safety and making sure you put the lives of your students in worthy hand is totaly left out. imo, in the civlian world it is even more critical for an instructor to know anything about the human body before putting anyone under severe stress, and be examined for that.
i think that all the legit organizations, like you said kevin, should come down to their senses and make an effort to build a program they can all agree to. some steps any instructor will go through in the way of becoming a teacher.
and perhaps have a universal exam that every future instructor must go through to prove he knows the matirial. otherwise, it’s not worth that much.
Re: Completely lock-up
As i see it: Most human beings are frightened when they feel hopeless, when danger overcomes them, or just when the challenge it to big for their shoes. as a result of that you eventually pretty much have consented to the inevitable outcome that affect your life. furthermore,
it is already known that MA’s arent meant to be taught only to fight. it’s a lifestyle. it’s a force that keeps you going, that occupy your mind and body and allows you to prepare yourself better for different experiences you may bump into.
similar to adopting a dog. the sense of responsibility of caring for someone else is a lesson one may value dearly when growing up. when going through a porgram of MA or self defense you have the chance to revalue what you strong at, and what you less strong at, what are your weaknesses, and how to overcome them. this is not exclusive to the MA world. There’s no wrong in going through an experience that involves body & soul training which can only benefit you at the long run despite what you may be facing. this whole concept is not about making you a better fighter per say, but making you a less frightened person that isnt afriad to deal with what comes up his way.
And in relation to actual self defense techniques its obvious that when you go through an experience of constant fighting and constant training you eventually become a better fighter and able to read situations better and react appropriately.
in contrast to being hopeless and lose the sense of control, being involved in any MA allows you to regain some of the control at the most desperate situations.
Re: My observations on Krav Maga culture,it’s growth and instructors.
Question is: do you leave the research and the background check for the one who represents only himself and just simply, with no MA experience seek authentic SD lessons? or you try and help him and assume, that he may fail or be lazy enough to really put the effort to steer between all the frauds out there.
If someone doesnt have the time, or, the power to search for an authentic trainer – he shouldnt be doomed to be trained by a fraud. not when it comes down to SD lessons. it can work when you buy bubblegums. it can work when you buy cloths perhaps, but not when you going to train in a MA or a reality based system you may relay on in the future.
look, i dont argue that even a legit trainer might not make his student a worthy fighter who can pull of everything he has learnt at the time of need. though, the least he can do for his trainee is teach what he know under the umbrella of krav maga authentic curriculum. now if the trainer claims he teach KM but in practice he doesnt.. he already puts his student in a disadvantage against any possible threat.
This stuff must be regulated. this is not a joke.
Re: I don’t know if KM is for me ?
This job of yours sound very risky. generally speaking, knowing any kind of Self defense is a positive thing and can be useful. KM, is probably one of the best programs that can offer you what you may require. while therer’s a big emphasis on fitness, this doesnt necessraily mean that you need it to pull of some of the techniques. KM SD maneuvers arent about strength or stamina. furthermore, not every school practice alot of groundwork and i’ve heard some provide very littel, so you might want to look for that school who has more tools on how to fight on the ground if that interest you.
with that said,
if you’re not working in the law enforcement or serving in the military, and you find yourself in constant danger during your work. taking SD lessons might not be the first option to consider in solving the problem.
Re: Pretty good article on Foxnews.com
It’s a shame that not everyone, especially that reporter, arent aware that those who learn KM through a civilian program are much much more knowledgeable about KM on every aspect but the military one than someone who went only through a military program.
Re: My observations on Krav Maga culture,it’s growth and instructors.
You should. it is obvious this is going out of hand and hurt those who legitly providing authentic service.
Regulation in this case is probably the best solution. not only for KM.
I honestly think that someone who teaches a martial art has much more responsibility than a gym trainer. a MA trainer, just like you said, is responsible to provide exact what he sell his client. which are tools to defend himself. if the instructor is a fraud and know nothing of what he actually teach, then that is a national security issue and only for that sole reason there should be some regulation especially when it comes down to SD lessons.
Re: Israel and Iran ???
Sure. when you live thousands of miles away from iran’s primary target its easy to say that israel should attack. i for once, dont want thousands of missiles over my house. i dont fancy a war. i dont want to get caught in some game of two radical rulers.
I actually think that obama doing the best he can to try find a solution to this without using force.
israel is a no threat to iran. if someone actually believes that israel alone can stand a war with an empire such as iran he is a fool. this is no jordan or syria or lebanon. israel was right to ask the world to reposnd and try to prevent them from having a bomb, but going and attacking them will be equal to commiting a suicide.
i rather prefer them having a bomb and keeping it without knowing if they gonna use it at all than having the israeli goverment deciding to engage in a war they wouldnt be able to finish.
Re: Pretty good article on Foxnews.com
Two things: 1: In my opinion this article comes short as to meet the title of being a “good” article. to me it seems they could’ve done much better job if they dug a littel deeper about KM and not just intervewing Mr.Gavish, who claims you can kill someone by kicking him in the nutz. Also worth mentioning that Gavish has his own thing, and without disrespecting him i think there are far more reputable places and people involved in KM that could’ve been interviewed if it was actual a “good” article.
and 2: what is your excuse for reading foxnews? you should know better 🙂
Re: Rare video of Krav Maga masters in Israel
Kevin that’s some great footage! thanks for sharing!
one of the most amazing explainations i have found in this clip is about body movements.
At around the 50 minute mark Imi’s dicussing body movements and explains how it is really insignificant for a proffesional if the speed is at 100% or 10% because from the moment the attacker doing his first move he already can tell what the end result will be and react appropriately.
a better example shown by the bearded instrucor at the 1.37 minute mark with the stick example. he later says, the attacker cant deny himself from making the move he initially began on doing and so allow the defender to acknowledge what is about to happen in advance, which he later attack the attacker knowing the stick is coming from the right.
Re: Tactical weapons fights.
quote bear34:Sorry, I’m not trying to start a fight. If you look in the upper right hand corner at the beginning of the video there is a banner for the World Krav Maga Federation(never heard of them myself.) I train under IKMF and don’t think they would want to be associated with Kapap, which is(was) an organization of somewhat dubious reputation.you could be right that its not IKMF.
