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1. If we have learned anything from zombie movies (and yes, we learn from Zombie movies) is that running, fighting, whatever, the Zombies will overwhelm you in the end. You cannot fight off the zombie horde. so what do you do? kill (not the right word, cant kill the undead,- destroy!!) as many as you can before they devour your brains. Or you can save the last bullet for yourself. That always seems popular.
If you are not dealing with the undead, then you have nothing to fear. Destroy them and the threat is gone. The will not keep coming at you to eat your neural tissue. End it, you be the one to decide how the fight progresses. End it on your terms. Eat your attackers brains!!
2. Guerriere, no plagarsim allowed. cite your quotation (Groucho Marx)
CLF,
Not conservtive here!! Middle of the road moderate!!But the French have been dispicable for so long, any educated person would have a bad taste in his/her mouth when discussing.
Let’s look at the French response to the Holocaust- the Germans didnt have to expend the same effort to round up and transport Jews in France as they did in other countries- the French were more than happy to help their new overlords.
Or more modern times- the French were demanding (ha!!) that we not send troops to Iraq, while they had troops on the ground in north Africa. Somehow their own rules do not apply to them. I think most Americans dilike the French because of their misplaced arrogance. They are a third tier country living off of their history. they are irrelevant on the international stage, except for their whining.
I imagine they will be asking the Germans for help soon on the \”Muslim problem\”. Good luck with that.
Let them reap which they have sown.
\”But it is especially the memory of France’s surrender to Hitler in June 1940 that many Americans cherish, as though the surrender of any nation to Nazi Germany, let alone the biggest democracy on the continent, would be something for Americans might wish to savor with amusement. Does it ever occur to many of us to wonder why, then, did it take the combined efforts of the United States, the Soviet Union and the British Empire four years to whip the Germans? But France in 1940 should have prevailed alone?\”
What bugs most Americans was not only the speed of the collapse (they has a larger army in both personelle and pieces of equipment than the Wehrmacht)- a FEW underarmed, STARVED Jews is the Warsaw Ghetto held out longer against the might of the Germans longer than the entire nation of France-but also the films of the French people welcoming the Germans as liberators. We have all seen them, girls rushing out to kiss the \”heroes\”.
You can call the French anything you want. To me, and the rest of us, they are cowards and Europe’s whores. They spread their legs for Germany.
Now they are reaping what they sow.
\”LAND FOR PEACE\” They have preached to Israel 50 years of this nonsense. Now it is their turn to put up or shut up. Israel is supposed to give terrorists land for peace, let the French give up some land for peace. Anti-semetic Vichy hippocrits. Defend them all you want. Cheese eating surrender monkey douches.
Hey, maybe you could get Marissa to help you our with pistol defenses. Ryan seems prettya adept at throwing punches, his ground work needs a little help though.
Don’t forget the third major stress response… Dr. Hans Selye (the \”father\” of stress) discussed the Fight, Flight and FRIGHT response. The fact that one of your percieved responses wasn’t curling up into the fetal position and peeing yourself shows either 1. you have already started down the path in the direction you want to end up and have bypassed a very primitive response or B. you havent ever been really scared/stressed!!
Remeber- as far as our body’s are concerned- we are still living on the plains of Africa and our major threats are animal attacks- some animals it is better to run, some animals that will illicit an atack response so it is better just to fight, or some animals will be repulsed by you curling up and peeing on yourself. You are no longer apetizing to them.
Visualize people!! practice in your head!!
Yep!!
JAMA. 1984 Jul 27;252(4):533-5. Related Articles, Links
Transmission of herpes simplex virus type 1 infection in rugby players.
White WB, Grant-Kels JM.
Skin infections, both bacterial and viral, are endemic in contact sports such as wrestling and rugby football. In this report, we describe four cases of extensive cutaneous herpes simplex virus in players on a rugby team. All players had a prodrome of fever, malaise, and anorexia with a weight loss of 3.6 to 9.0 kg. Two players experienced ocular lesions associated with cutaneous vesicular lesions of the face. A third player, who had herpetic lesions on his lower extremity, experienced paresthesias, weakness, and intermittent urinary retention and constipation. All infected players on the team were forwards or members of the \”scrum,\” which suggests a field-acquired infection analogous to the herpetic infections seen in wrestlers (herpes gladiatorum). Considering the serious sequelae of recurrent herpes simplex keratitis, the traumatic skin lesions in rugby football players should be cultured for herpes virus, and infected individuals should be restricted from playing until crusted lesions have disappeared.
More wrestling infections… Read to the bottom!!!
Pinning Down Skin Infections: Diagnosis, Treatment, and Prevention in Wrestlers
William L. Dienst, Jr, MD; Lowell Dightman, MD; Mark S. Dworkin, MD; Robert K. Thompson, MD
Emergencies Series Editor: Warren B. Howe, MDTHE PHYSICIAN AND SPORTSMEDICINE – VOL 25 – NO. 12 – DECEMBER 97
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In Brief: Wrestling fosters skin infections such as herpes simplex, tinea corporis, and impetigo. Visual examination often suggests the diagnosis, but some lesions, like late-stage herpes, can mimic other conditions, like impetigo; laboratory studies therefore may be required. Drug therapy can mitigate an infection and help prevent recurrence. In addition, physicians must know when to disqualify a wrestler and how to prevent an outbreak through measures like good hygiene and immediate diagnosis.
To distinguish between herpes gladiatorum, tinea corporis, impetigo, and other common skin infections in wrestlers (table 1), physicians must carefully assess clinical and laboratory findings. In addition, clinicians must be able to prescribe optimal therapy, minimize transmission, and know when to disqualify a wrestler (table 2). We offer recommendations for handling cutaneous infections in wrestlers, based on the best available scientific analysis and on clinical judgment.
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Table 1. Differential Diagnosis of Skin Infection in Wrestlers
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Viral Infections
Herpes simplex virus 1
Herpes zoster
Molluscum contagiosum
WartsDermatophytic and Yeast Infections
Tinea corporis
Tinea cruris and pedisBacterial Infections
Impetigo contagiosa
Cellulitis
Furuncles, carbuncles, and abscesses
Superinfection of abrasions or eczema
Acne vulgaris and folliculitisParasite Infestations
Scabies
LiceNoninfectious Conditions
Atopic dermatitis
Contact (allergic) dermatitis
Nummular eczemaMord here..
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CHECK THIS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like other skin infections, herpes gladiatorum is an \”occupational hazard\” of wrestling (see \”Containing a Herpes Gladiatorum Outbreak,\” below). A nationwide survey (6) of athletic trainers suggested that 2.6% of high school wrestlers and 7.6% of college wrestlers had a herpes infection during the 1984-85 season. These numbers may be an underestimate because some rashes, particularly those in the latter stages of blistering and resolution, may not be recognized as HSV. This study also suggests that a wrestler’s age, and presumably the duration of an athlete’s exposure through wrestling, correlate with the rate of HSV infection.
!!!!!!!!2.6% of HS and 7.6% of college wrestlers have Herpes!! HOLY COW!!!
Keep this in mind next time you do gorund fighting in class!!I guess they all get the herpes from blowing each other in the locker room Jerry?
Here is a different high school wrestling herpes outbreak.
from the MMWR
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001552.htm
Epidemiologic Notes and Reports Herpes Gladiatorum at a High School Wrestling Camp — Minnesota
In July 1989, the Minnesota Department of Health (MDH) investigated an outbreak of herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) dermatitis (herpes gladiatorum) in participants at a Minnesota wrestling camp. The camp was held July 2 through July 28 and attended by 175 male high school wrestlers from throughout the United States. The participants were divided into three wrestling groups according to weight (group 1, lightest; group 3, heaviest). During most practice sessions, wrestlers had contact only with others in the same group. The outbreak was detected during the final week of camp, and wrestling contact was subsequently discontinued for the final 2 days.A case was defined as isolation of HSV-1 from involved skin or eye or the presence of cutaneous vesicles. To identify cases, a clinic was held at the camp to obtain viral cultures and examine skin lesions. Additional clinical data were obtained from review of emergency department records at the facility where all affected wrestlers were referred for medical care. A questionnaire was administered to wrestlers by telephone following the conclusion of camp.
Clinical and questionnaire data were available for 171 (98%) persons. The mean age of these participants was 16 years (range: 14-18 years); 153 (89%) were white; 137 (80%) were high school juniors or seniors. The median length of time in competitive wrestling was 4 years.
Sixty (35%) persons met the case definition, including 21 (12%) who had HSV-1 isolated from the skin or eye (Figure 1). All affected wrestlers had onset during the camp session or within 1 week after leaving camp. Two wrestlers had a probable recurrence of HSV, one oral and one cutaneous, during the first week of camp. Lesions were located on the head or neck in 44 (73%) persons, the extremities in 25 (42%), and the trunk in 17 (28%). Herpetic conjunctivitis occurred in five persons; none developed keratitis. Associated signs and symptoms included lymphadenopathy (60%), fever and/or chills (25%), sore throat (40%), and headache (22%). Forty-four (73%) persons were treated with acyclovir.
Attack rates increased by weight group: of 55 wrestlers in group 1, 12 (22%) were affected; of 57 in group 2, 17 (30%); and of 59 in group 3, 31 (53%) (p=0.01). Thirty-eight (22%) wrestlers interviewed reported a past history of oral HSV-1 infection. The attack rate was 24% for wrestlers who reported a past history of oral herpes and 38% for wrestlers without a history of oral herpes (relative risk (RR)=0.6; 95% confidence interval (CI)=0.3-1.0). Twenty-three percent of affected wrestlers continued to wrestle for at least 2 days after rash onset. Athletes who reported wrestling with a participant with a rash were more likely to have confirmed or probable HSV-1 infection (RR=2.0; 95% CI=1.3-3.1). Reported by: JL Goodman, MD, EJ Holland, MD, CW Andres, MD, SR Homann, MD, RL Mahanti, MD, MW Mizener, MD, A Erice, MD, Univ of Minnesota Hospital and Clinic, Minneapolis; MT Osterholm, PhD, State Epidemiologist, Minnesota Dept of Health. Div of Field Svcs, Epidemiology Program Office, CDC.
Editorial Note
Editorial Note: Herpes gladiatorum (cutaneous infection with HSV in wrestlers and rugby players) was first described in the mid-1960s (1-3). In 1988, an outbreak of herpes gladiatorum was reported among three Wisconsin high school wrestling teams (4). In a national survey of 1477 trainers of athletes, approximately 3% of high school wrestlers were reported to have developed HSV skin infections during the 1984-85 season (5). Lesions occur most often on the head and neck. Primary infection may cause constitutional symptoms with fever, malaise, weight loss, and regional lymphadenopathy. Ocular involvement includes keratitis, conjunctivitis, and blepharitis.Transmission occurs primarily through skin-to-skin contact. Autoinoculatio
It also leads support to \”carrying Israeli\”. Americans assume every gun is loaded and racked. If the officer whose gun was stolen knew that her gun was NOT racked (and every other officer in the room) she and they could have reacted to retrieve the firearm (or the other officers could have drawn and tracked their own weapons before he figured out the problem). But when a criminal takes away your racked weapon, all they have to do is pull the trigger and it goes boom.
M
\”Unless they were kissing or blowing each other in the locker room, I doubt if they can get herpes from wrestling.\”
Wow, what a stupid statement. Herpes is a viral infection that spreads from skin to skin contact. Simplex 1, non-genital herpes, can be present and not be obvious in a sore, or could be obvious in a sore (cold sore or blister is a Herpe lesion).
In wrestling the is a lot of skin to skin contact, thus the HS1 virus can (and did) spread with relative ease. I dont have time to pull the data on thi outbreak, but I beleive it was noted in the MMWR.
Off to teach.
M
Student Athletes Contract Herpes While Wrestling
Dan DeRoos, KOIN News 6
NEWBERG, Ore. — A handful of Oregon high school wrestlers got herpes from practicing their sport.
Concerned parents say they were left in the dark about the risk that their kids were taking.
The problem is believed to have started when the Crater wrestling team picked up herpes simplex-1 during a tournament in Fresno, Calif. Before they knew the problem existed, Crater wrestled Grants Pass, and several members from both teams came down with the disease.Cleared by doctors, several young men from Crater wrestled in last weekend’s Oregon Classic in Redmond.
That brings us to Monday night’s exhibition match at Newberg high against a visiting Japanese team. It’s not so much the match that parents were worried about. We found some parents whose sons wrestled against Crater this weekend and were told nothing of the problem.
\”No, we didn’t know about it until the middle of the match,\” Dennis Schmitz said.
Schmitz says he only found out because another angry parent brought it to his attention. And although the Crater kids were cleared by doctors to wrestle, parents feel they should have been told.
\”That was my biggest concern, was there was no information given, and the coaches didn’t even seem to know about it,\” Beverly Schmitz said.
\”If our kids end up get herpes for the rest of their lives because of that, there’s no excuse for that at all — none,\” Dennis Schmitz said.
In defense of the Newberg program, we did talk to the coach who says he does everything he can to keep the mats clean and disinfected. And the parents echoed that sentiment, saying they have no qualms about their sons wrestling in Newberg.
\”The team cleans the mats twice a day and the kids are very conscientious about hygiene,\” Dave Conant said.
So far, none of the Newberg kids have shown signs of herpes, which can take a couple of days to show up.
Many parents say that had they known, they would have let their sons decide whether or not to wrestle.
After watching the entire video…
I have known dogs that have been put down due to less aggressive behavior. The animal duo of the woman and her boyfriend do not belong in a civilized society. For the rest of our sakes, they should be done away with. I would bet 6 months salary that this is not the first (or the last) time they have behaved in this manner. If they want to behave like animals, we as a society should treat them only how they want to be treated- like animals.
We can all talk- woulda, coulda, shoulda. The fact is the guy on the phone was minding his own business, the guy behind the counter was running a business when he was spat upon. What if she has Hep A,B,or C (or all three)?
We can all second guess the responses, but the real question is- why are these animals going to be free to continue this behavior? He is getting sentenced to four years? four years?
I think we need another Australia or Georgia for this couple.Feh. Disgusted with human nature and our pussy-foot response to dusgusting, dangerous, uncalled for behavior
I think Homer came up with the best self defense animal. Gun vs. dog argument is moot.
\”Or what? You’ll release the dogs? Or the bees? Or the dogs with bees in their mouth and when they bark they shoot bees at you?\”
When in doubt, refer to the classics.
VA gun laws are actually pretty decent. It is a \”shall issue\” state. Meaning that the state has to issue a concealed carry permit unless they have compelling reason not to (you are convicted felon, any convictions for domestic violence, determined to be mentally incompetent, etc). Also, it is perfectly legal for a person to carry unconcealed. One does not need a permit for this. You can actually carry more places unconcealed (any place that serves alcohol) than concealed. Police get freaked out by this and do hassle, but they are learning that it is perfectly legal to carry open.
Getting a concealed permit is something I would recommend. Take the class. Take more classes until you feel comfortable with a firearm. Learn saftey and legal realities of carrying.Then as Tommy Lee Jones said, \”get yourself a Glock\”
pax urbana
