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Hi,
I own the Ultimate Krav Maga DVD’s, Total Krav Maga DVD’s and Mastering Krav Maga (by David Kahn). I All good DVD sets. A good live class/instructor still cant be beat.Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !
Well Bas Rutten would disagree with you. You say you are a Kick-boxer? Bas was one of the best before he became a Would Champ MMA fighter. In fact he was one of the best in MMA history. Mr. Bas Rutten speaks highly of Krav Maga. Tell Bas he is wrong.
Re: What techniques are/should be taught to newbies?
My background is in Hapkido, Aikido, Kajukenbo and now mostly BJJ. Lots of falls. It is safe with lots of training. Every class should train falling/rolling. Five min. a class should do it. New people should not take falls for a few months. They need to slowly work up to it. using crash-pads can be a big help. A first day student should not take BIG falls. When I teach D.T.’s, I know that most of the LEO’s don’t train. I avoid any big takedowns to keep them from getting hurt. I would love to get into more with them but I can’t. A good coach/teacher needs to keep class safe and not let new students get hurt.
Re: Carrying a concealed weapon vs. Self Defense
Here is a YouTube link about carrying a concealed firearm. I post this not to say you should not carry a gun but to show just how BIG training is. If you carry or even own a firearm, you need to train with it. And like I said before, shooting holes in paper is not training.
Re: Carrying a concealed weapon vs. Self Defense
Hi,
I’m a BIG 2nd amendment supporter and think that every citizen that can legally own/carry a firearm should have the right. I also feel that doing so comes with a BIG responsibility.
In law enforcement, the average trainee completes an approx. 18-21+ week academy followed by a 12-16+ week FTO program. The new officer/agent then (on average twice yearly per subject/skill) re-qualifies in defensive tactics, legal, firearms, secondary tools and more.
You would think that this would be enough but it isn’t. Even with this training, every year I read about LEO’s being killed with their own firearms. When I’m training officer’s/Agent’s, I like to remind them that 100% of the contacts they make, a gun is always present. The LEO’s firearm. I’ve attended a handful of officer funerals in my career. The first was of a colleague that was killed with his own service weapon.
Please understand I’m not attempting to discourage the reader’s right to carry a firearm. Again, I’m a supporter of your right to carry a firearm. I’m only attempting to reflect how serous it is. Anyone that has trained in firearm retention/firearm disarming skills knows just how vulnerable your firearm can be from a skilled or bigger, stronger, more athletic attacker.
Always seek training above what is required by your state’s laws/regulations. Seek training concerning the laws, not just firearms. Know what to do when you use your weapon and what to expect when the police arrive on scene. Think about the legal/civil issues after you defend yourself.
As a Defensive Tactics instructor, I will always put self-defense, Combatives, martial arts training first. I know that I have needed my defensive tactics so much more then my firearm. I also feel that my gift of gab has kept me from needing both my DT and firearms skills over the years.
Krav Maga is the perfect all encompassing method of self-defense. I say this as a newcomer to Krav Maga. My background (martial arts related) is Kajukenbo, Hapkido, LE-defensive tactics, military Combatives and BJJ for the last two years. From what I’ve observed, Krav Maga is the perfect mix of everything. I love how simple it can be yet still extremely effective. I plan on incorporating it into my weekly training.
In short, if you plan to carry a gun, know EVERYTHING that goes with carrying it. Not just putting holes in a target. Qualifying with your weapon is not training. Go the extra mile and it will pay off if you need it.
Definitely train unarmed self-defense to augment your firearms training. Finally, I feel Krav Maga is the perfect system for self-defense. You will always have it with you and it covers most scenarios.Stay Safe….
Re: m&p shield thoughts?
Hi,
The M&P is a great gun. If it fits you well and you like it, great. I’m a Glock Fan. thats just me. The Troopers switched from Glock to M&P a few years back (Oregon). The ones i work with seem to love them. I shot a friend’s and think it’s a nice shooting gun. The trigger seemed a little sloppy but not bad.Re: Miesha Tate teaches Women’s Self Defense
Generally speaking, woman’s MMA has been more exiting and fun to watch.
Re: Miesha Tate teaches Women’s Self Defense
But…. David Carradine was a real Kung fu master. But only in slow-motion.
Re: Miesha Tate teaches Women’s Self Defense
rofl2
quote CJs Dad:You lost me at “Miesha Tate teaches Women’s Self Defense”:OhMy:
Re: Miesha Tate teaches Women’s Self Defense
quote Don:It’s one option but IMO you need a lot of things to go “right” in order for you to be successful – e.g. your arms have to have enough movement/freedom, you need to be able to bend forward, you have to have time to execute the technique, the BG’s leg has to be available/accessible for you to grab, you have to have enough grip and strength in order to pull the leg, and the BG has to be surprised enough to let go, etc. It wouldn’t be the only defense I show a student…The good thing is that the BG’s hands are dedicated – he’s not gonna be able to hit you or deploy a weapon while he’s holding you. The bad thing is that most BG’s are probably not gonna just sit there with his arms around you posing for a prom picture – be prepared for an immediate pick up and body slam or a rear trip takedown among other things…
I agree with Don. I never liked this bear-hug defense. I feel Krav Maga teaches better standing self-defense responses to most common attacks.
Don’t get me wrong, if you have seen some of my other forum posts, you know that I’m pro-BJJ/MMA, but (in my humble opinion) Krav Maga seems to have the overall most simplistic, systematic and simple response to all common street attacks.
Re: Use of force and case law.
Hi all,
I just said I wouldn’t post legal stuff again and I shouldn’t. I just need to finish my first post. Again I’m not a lawyer. I’m an FTO and DT instructor. I teach federal LEO’s from my agency and nothing more. I know and teach what I learned at FLETC. In a nut shell…
The US Supreme Court case Graham v. Connor (1989) is considered the umbrella case that covers use of force and yes it is a 4th amendment case. Using force to arrest someone is a 4th amendment issue.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
to arrest someone is a seizure in the eyes of the law.
See below links for more info.
https://www.fletc.gov/sites/default/files/PartIGrahamvConnor.pdf
https://www.fletc.gov/sites/default/files/PartIIIDeadlyForce-TennvGarner.pdf
https://www.fletc.gov/sites/default/files/PartIVDeadlyForceScottvHarris.pdf
1. We have the U.S. Constitution….
2. The U.S. Supreme Court makes case law…
3. We have Federal Circuit court of Appeals (case law) I’m in the 9th Circuit (yuck)…
4. We have Federal laws & regulations
5. States have State Constitutions…
6. States make case law & have State laws/ regulations
7. Law enforcement agencies have policy, regulations, etc.
8. The field going LEO needs to interpret all this in a split second in the field. This was my point.
Re: Miesha Tate teaches Women’s Self Defense
BJJ white belt level (maybe 1st or 2nd stripe, don’t recall). One of the first standing self defense moves in BJJ.
Re: Use of force and case law.
You’re not wrong….
I’m a federal officer and teach/train only federal officers. My agencies use of force policy basically only mirrors the case laws I motioned. I indicated that LEO’s must follow local laws, regulations, dept. policy, etc.
I even stated -“Policies will take case law and likely add restrictions or attempt to quantify/break down these case laws into steps/policy (continuum of force) for the officers to follow.”
I was not attempting to teach. If that was how you received my post, I’m sorry. I was attempting only to generically reflect to non-LEO’s what an officer/agent my need to think about in a slit second before every use of force contact.
Let me be clear, I am not a lawyer, am not giving legal advice or lessons in law and am sorry if anyone interpreted my post as such. I will refrain from any future post concerning laws, case law, police policy, etc.
Re: Is Kudo the answer to a sporting outlet for Krav Maga?
Well,
I’m a “rural” cop. My back-up is likely 1-2 hours from me most of the time. My daily experience /tactics may be different then an urban cop. I’ve worked urban LE and corrections. All LE have different challenges but much is also the same.
I think people may be more empowered to attack me sometimes. As I’m always alone & maybe they think they can get away with it easier. I run into a LOT of drug users alcohol issues and that will empower someone’s willingness to attack a cop.
I would say most of the people I contact (daily) carry a gun, knife, both all the time. Or a rifle/shotgun is in their vehicle/ in reach. We Americans do love our guns. ☺ Now I think every legal/law abiding citizen has the right to own/carry a gun without a lot of fuss but that’s a different subject.
You are right. Both MMA & Wrestling are popular in the United States. Good takedown defense is a must. Look at UFC star (retired) Chuck Lidell, that guy was great at stuffing/stopping the takedown. This is also why grappling /ground defense is so important to me. So many people I contact may have some skill.
As for head-butts, my experience has been different. I have had head-butts /elbows come at me more then a few times on the job. Mostly when putting on the handcuffs. A U.S. citizen may have a different experience then an LEO. Good arrest tactics must be trained.
Knife defense in important to all LE /people but is likely much more of an issue for cops/people in your neck of the woods. As guns are likely much harder for criminals to get. Knives are easily concealed, quick, deadly, never “jam” and easy to get /make for everyone. If I were a cop in the UK (assuming unarmed), I would be training the HELL out of Krav Maga. I feel for my bother’s/sister’s in blue that cant carry a guns on/off the job.
FYI… if you are looking to add a practical grappling program to your Krav Maga but don’t care to go train at a BJJ / MMA school. First let me say that I think a good Krav Maga school should cover most of your self-defense needs. The coaches (KMWW) in my area are impressive and have exceptional grappling skills.
You may not have school in your area. If you have a friend to train with a few times a week, you can still get some good training in. I would highly recommend the Gracie Combatives program. Yes I know, a DVD program (Gracie University) may not give you the skills a good coach will give you.
I have been training No-Gi BJJ/MMA at a local school/schools in my area for a few years now. I still highly recommend training at a good BJJ/MMA school. As a defensive tactics instructor, I Incorporate BJJ into our program.
I have attended the Gracie Survival Tactics (GST) course. The GST program is basically a modified Gracie Combative (light) program for cops. I also own the combative DVD’s & regularly use them with friends.
Let me tell you from experience, Gracie Combative/GST works! I think that it would mix GREAT with Krav Maga. Basically, Krav will deal with most of your self-defense needs. If you are looking to add a self-defense based BJJ program, Gracie Combatives may be for you. It consists of 36 lessons (multiple “slices” per lesson).
The program was designed for the smaller, non-athletic regular Joes (like me). It will teach takedown defense, basic street takedowns, positional control (top & bottom), ground & pound defense, and how to get back up to escape. A GREAT mix with Krav Maga.
Stay Safe….
Re: Is Kudo the answer to a sporting outlet for Krav Maga?
I agree with you. A sport BJJ school is not going to work for self-defense. You will need to train at an MMA/self-defense based grappling school (BJJ, Sambo, Catch-wrestling, etc.). Berimbolo is definitely not a street safe tactic. A new student isn’t going to pull it off anyway (12-24 months maybe). It will take some time to get proficient on the ground. A good teacher should be keeping it simple for the first 6-12 month anyway (no Berimbolos).
A good school will start you slow. It will take 6 mo. Before you start getting your hip movement down. The stand-up/takedowns & takedown defense and “jits with hits” (punching) will come. Time well spent. It is likely someone bigger and stronger then you will attack you on the street.
In 17 years of law enforcement, I have seen a big shift in how people fight on the street. Everyone is an MMA fan or wrestled in high school, etc. I would never underestimate just how little it takes to get taken to the ground or how little training is needed. Especially if your attacker is bigger then you. Everyone knows the “ground and pound” & I’ve seen unskilled people pull it off with little training.
My point is it takes more time to get good at grappling then striking. This is why I fell in love with Krav Maga. If all you have time to train is one thing, Krav is the way to go. I think it is the best defensive tactics system around. A dedicated person can learn to defend himself or herself quickly (quicker the most martial arts anyway).
If you have time and choose to add grappling (BJJ, judo, sambo, wrestling, etc.) just spent the time to learn it right. I have seen people teaching “defense” against common grappling holds/takedowns that look like they themselves have never grappled (just watch YouTube) or have little time on the mat. Someone who is a good wrestler/grappler is going to feel much stronger and not as easy to escape from.
As for MMA over Kudo, both seem practical if used as a supplement. Kudo seemed like it would be fun.
