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I’m not entirely sure what the Argument is about, but I think people that bash particular styles of Martial Art need to do more reading and training. For instance on another forum I recently had a guy say that groundfighting was USELESS in a real world fight because it left you too vulnerable and after a brief argument he admitted that he’d never trained BJJ, Pankration or even Sambo, but rather he had been doing Krav Maga and even it was only a Stun & Run martial art.
Personally I think no single Combat Martial Art is better than the other, there are only fighters that are better than others. Comparing Muay Thai (which I train in) and TKD is stupid because one is a Combat Martial Art and one is a Sport Martial Art. That’s like comparing BJJ and Yoga! Both are Martial Arts but each has specific applications, Yoga IS a Martial Art, but it’s a Religious Martial Art rather than Combat or Sport.
One thing that I really loved was in the Jet Li movie \”Fist of Legend\” when the old Japanese man was talking to Jet Li and he said that the KEY to being a good fighter is to ADAPT. It’s not up to the Martial Art to Adapt, it’s up to the Martial Artist to Adapt. By adapting to your opponent and having a better rounded education you’ll become a better overall fighter.
Even within Combat Martial Arts there are different applications for each style, some styles are better for extended hand to hand combat, some are about disabling your opponent quickly and efficiently. Krav Maga is still new, like was said before it’s only about 50 years old, so of course it’s going to change and adapt, but the only thing that can be \”official\” Krav Maga is something that is determined by the Israelis, the only way to keep Scheisters in America from fleecing us poor people is to set up a nationwide training council that works with the government in each country to require rules and limitations for setting up a school. Because unlike Muay Thai or BJJ and the Greco Roman Wrestling Combat Arts which have been around for thousands of years, Krav Maga is new and it will HAVE to adapt because our enemy will continue to adapt. 300 years ago they didn’t have to worry about disarming a gun, now we do.
The Style shapes the Fighter, but the Fighter Shapes the Fight, without adaptation you will never grow and become a better fighter, and someone will eventually come along and put you in your place.
Arguing over \”OMG THIS Martial Art is better than THAT one\” is stupid and a waste of time, mostly because of the ignorance of the people arguing. 6 months in One Martial Art will not make you better than anyone except maybe someone with no training and even then an experienced bar brawler with no background in Martial Arts might take you down, and comparing a Combat Art and a Sport Art, or even a Religious Art is pointless, you might as well say \”Muay Thai vs Football Player! Lets see who wins!\”
Krav Maga in my opinion fills a hole in my training that I needed filled. That’s why I take it, like I said before, I’m taking Muay Thai, Pankration, Krav Maga, and will be taking Kali, Silat, Eskrima, Sambo and maybe even Capoeira, not because I believe one is better than the other, but because I believe the unique styles will make me an overall better fighter.
And I’m very suprised about the amount of people who have NEVER trained in one style argue about how weak it is compared to another, and I’m even more suprised about the amount of people that haven’t trained AT ALL that argue about which is better.
Stupid people will always talk, but the best don’t bother to talk about it in that way, because they know that it’s all down to the Fighter Him/Herself and that’s what really matters. Even if one of these people arguing about which is best got into a ring/octagon and got beat they’d complain about cheating, or an upset stomach or something stupid.
And I’m going to end it here because I think I’ve typed too much, but whether they are bashing your Martial Art or not, stupid people should always be ignored, they HAVE to talk big or nobody woul
Hand Wraps and Gloves/
Should I wear Hand Wraps and gloves at the same time? A lot of the guys I usually train with wear both the MMA gloves and their Mexican-style Hand Wraps, is it necessary or should I just wear one or the other? I’ve got a lot of problems with my wrists and could use the extra support, but I don’t want to limit myself and make it so I don’t develop the proper strength and technique in punching.
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quote \”CLFMak\:Try the russian alphabet when you get good enough 😉lol since I’m already learning Russian that should be good for my language lessons as well as my fighting skills. Thanks a lot guys.
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quote \”CLFMak\:I’m not a fan of high kicks in real fighting, but I wouldn’t call them useless. Would you say that high kicks are useless in a mixed martial arts match? Many have ended with the roundhouse to the head. Not as likely in a streetfight. But I still wouldn’t say high kicks are \”useless\”.
Storytime: I remember back when I was a kid, my best friend angered this other kid who was two years older. The other guy, without warning, kicks my friend in the face with a spinning crescent kick (spun around and swung his leg in an outward arc), ending the fight before it began. The kick somehow jammed his lip between the wire of his retainer and his teeth- weird. Everyone present was kind of shocked- we had no idea the guy knew any martial arts or anything (and we never really found out). Anyway, this isn’t really a story to prove me right, because a preemptive kick in a childhod fight doesn’t equal streetfight. Just a story I had.Wow, I got a huge response on this topic lol thanks a lot guys, I never thought I’d get such a huge response so fast 😯 So far as Roundkicks in a streetfight I think the biggest reason you wouldn’t see a roundkick in a streetfight is because very few people can even get their leg up that high lol I’m definitely going to check out the books suggested and I’m also going to research plyometrics (never heard of it before here lol) and explosive speed, I read something on explosive speed either on bodybuilding.com or t-nation.com but I’m gonna have to look again, I believe there was an article on Increasing Intensity on Bodybuilding.com that was really good but I can’t remember all that much of it because it’s been a year or so since I read it.
I still haven’t found this fabled Krav Maga class in Hilo so I may have to stick with Rudy Valentino’s Muay Thai class after BJ Penns MMA Academy finishes their construction work but you guys have most definitely been a lot of help. If I can’t find Krav Maga here in Hawaii I guess I’ll have to wait until I get back to Seattle.
You guys have definitely given me a great deal to look up and think on, I sincerely appreciate it. It’s been really really hard trying to train on my own but you guys have already helped a lot. I hope this topic helps other visitors to the forum as well.
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quote \”CaliWT\:IKF has terrible distribution….try a Barnes and Noble or other big book store at a large shopping mall. Wait…your in Hawaii, do you have large shopping malls there?If you do find it at a market, buy it, so the stock clerk keeps ordering it.
We’ve got the standard cookie cutter mall, a Wal Mart, and a Borders books lol but I’ve gotta head out that way tomorrow to take my fiancee to see Constantine so I’ll check Borders and see if they have it.
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quote \”CLFMak\:In the current Inside Kung Fu (I think) there’s an article about a woman who was a victim of some serious domestic violence. She joined a wing chun/tai chi place, and would tightly shut her eyes at first whenever the instructor would reach his hand towards her. Your story reminded me of this article. It sounds like the kid might have some domestic violence issues. Check out the article- you might even get in touch with the lady. But this is assuming that this is the case, which it very well might not be.Do you know where I could find an issue of this magazine? I haven’t been able to locate any in the local safeway or 7-11 and I’d really like to read the article.
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quote \”AFLT\:Well, Rev, you’re a relatively short plane hop away from Guam if you ever want to make a trip this way. I’d be happy to train with you. I’m pretty much stuck training on my own here, as martial arts in general are very limited and not really what I’m looking for.You stuck on the military base there? Or you a civillian resident? The Instructor of the class listed above was supposed to have a fight there and was talking about Guam, that and I remember watching a documentary on birds from Guam and how they are ending up extinct because of some new law passed by the Bush Administration that makes Military Bases exempt from Endangered Species Act, but I’ve heard its a VERY boring place and I sympathize with you. Unfortunately I’m stuck here for the next 3 years until my fiancee graduates.
Re: male chauvinist in class….
quote \”runnergirl\:I understand it if guys get sick of pairing with girls because their training is impaired by it in some way. There’s one guy, that when he kicks full strength sends me half way across the room–that’s just not a practical situation–I get that. I’ve learned a lot from the experienced men at my school and really appreciate their help, I think they respect me and the other women who train hard regularly.So, am I just lucky to have great guys at my school? Do other women have to deal with those kind of comments? Any suggestions on approaching the instructor?
The evil part of me wants to partner with him for one night. 😈 But that’s probebly not the best idea.
If I were you I would most definitely go to the instructor as soon as possible, just ask to speak with him/her privately and explain the situation and how it makes you uncomfortable. It probably wouldn’t help to publicly humiliate him in front of the class by you personally messing him up, even though I’m sure it would be a great way to relieve stress and tons of fun 😯
However as a male who has trained with a LOT of females before as well as currently ONLY having a female for a training partner (my fiancee and I have to train alone until we find a school here in Hawaii) I have NEVER felt like my training was impaired or cheated because I was partnered with a female. In the time I’ve been in Martial Arts I’ve helped train women who were weaker than I am and I’ve also trained with women who are significantly more powerful in their strikes than I am not to mention faster. Ability should never be judged by gender, and I think it’s sad that some guys just don’t get it even in 2005. It may be tempting to hear his bones snap beneath your blows, but it ultimately wouldn’t be worth the trouble of gaining an enemy for life.
Your best bet is just to take it up with the instructor and see if it can be resolved as he is a new student and your an older one it’s most likely that he won’t be accepted as a continuuing student. Especially if he’s making the other females uncomfortable as well.
I personally didn’t like it because of the injuries I sustained at the hands of poorly trained students and/or guys who were only their to satiate their desire to hurt other people and get away with it. People like that should be removed from the class, but like I said before the instructor was too preoccupied and when it was brought up before he blew it off and said he would talk to the other guys, yet as it’s his very first class as an instructor and class size varies he is very loathe to kick anyone out. I’m just glad I got out while I could and I certainly hope to find that Krav Maga school soon. And who knows, maybe one day I’ll get the pleasure of training with some of you guys 😯 😀
Again thanks for all the advice guys, I’m forwarding all of it to my friend back home and hopefully he can help the other students in the class.
From what I heard they dubbed it and even added in some Wu Tang Clan songs but I hate rap and it was good enough in Thai I prefer watching foreign films in their original language with subtitles, but that’s probably because I’m going to school for my World Languages and Advanced Translation degree. My two favorite things are Martial Arts and Foreign Languages *drool*
Awesome advice guys, thanks a lot.
One of the biggest problems that I can see is that the class isn’t very structured at all. The Instructor is an MMA fighter himself and he’s trying to train other fighters and hold regular class at the same time. To him his first priority is the people who have fights so he tends to ignore the rest of the people in his class. On top of THAT the instructor is all Physical Training and no Mental Training whatsoever.
Said Instructor teaches by the \”Sink or Swim\” method, in his grappling class you are thrown in immediately with no coaching, none of the basics your basically meat for his fighters to practice on and \”maybe\” you learn something while your being put through various submissions. The Muay Thai Class that he teaches is much the same (2 classes in 1, first hour Muay Thai second Pankration). He doesn’t teach breathing exercises, he doesn’t teach mental preparation or focus of any kind, he just gives you the drills to run through after 30 minutes of intense exercise. You choose a partner and he calls out and demonstrates combos he wants you to work on. Say 1, 2, 3, 9 (Left Jab, Right Jab, Left Hook, Left Kick usually to outside thigh). Your partner is based on whoever is willing to work with you. At the end of class it’s and I use the phrase loosely \”Light Sparring\” which is another excuse for the fighters to work their game against the people who don’t know all that much.
Like I said, I use the term \”light sparring\” loosely mostly because a lot of these guys like to hit as hard as they can, I personally have fractured both my knee and my elbow and almost had bones in my face broken as well as having my teeth loosened up considerably. The Instructor spends his time either training for HIS fights or watching his fighters with his attention divided amongst the other students to a lesser degree. I have heard people say its one of the best ways to learn because you either toughen up or get out, but I dislike it a lot. I don’t train there anymore as I’ve moved out of state but it was the only place to go and it was my first forray into the Martial Arts world.
I feel really bad for this kid and the friend that sent me that, I have yet to find a REALLY good Martial Arts training center and even in Hilo I’m hesitant to even join BJ Penns MMA Academy (though I heard theres a Krav Maga school here I have yet to locate it). Nowadays I do all my training myself and I’ve forwarded all of your replies to my friend back home in helps that he can help other people in the class. When I was there I was the unofficial \”Newbie Coach\” the instructor allowed me to guide the other students in breathing exercises, proper form etc because it allowed him more time to focus on HIS fighters. It just makes me sad to hear about how things are going back home and I’m glad you guys have been so helpful.
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quote \”L8\:I think that the movie is being released to theaters in the US this week.Yes it gets released on friday and I procured my copy from a friend in Juarez…. 😯
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quote \”CaliWT\:I love that part with the bucket of knives!!!! It is so three stooges/buggys bunny meets jackie Chan…Well, you know the movie is something different right from the start with that tree climbing contest….some of those stunts look like they hurt!!
My friend brought the DVD back from Thailand. It looks like we are ahead of the game on this one Rev
Yeah, I learn Muay Thai but I’d give anything to learn it like he learns it, he does a lot of stuff that I already know how to do (of course he does it faster with more power) but theres also a lot of things that I saw that I never got to learn when I was in the Mainland US, that’s why I want to go to Thailand and train and use the other martial arts I listed to really round out my education.
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Are these knee’s being thrown from the clinch? Because I saw an interesting move recently where a guy was throwing knee’s at a guys face but every time the Controlling guy went to throw the knees his opponent used his hands and forarms to hit the guy high up on the thigh pretty hard so he couldn’t bring his leg up into contact with the guys body.
