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Re: Is Krav Maga one of the best martial arts for the streets?
quote Eklypised:I wanna learn a art that I can protect myself and my family. After googling everything Krav Maga came up as about the best one to learn for a street fight. Is that true?This is arguably the most popular website to promote KM, everyone who is here is a fan/practitioner/instructor etc…..so the answer would be a resounding yes, it’s extremely effective for the street, based on it’s origins and continuing evolution.
There’s a reason it’s one of the most popular self defense systems in the world, because it works. I suggest you find a local school and try out some classes and see if it’s for you. You can only do so much on the internet!
Good luck!
Re: krav maga is not effective in real life !
A copy of my recent facebook post:
Miami Krav Maga, Nir MamanRick BlitsteinYigal ArbivDavid Kahn and Haim Gidon were tagged in this post to acknowledge their contributions.
At least 2 people are safe today, thanks to KM.
2 of my students are part of a security team at a mega church, they specifically protect the pastor.
Last Saturday, a belligerent and intoxicated guy wants to approach the pastor during as mass, in front of 10 thousand people. One of my guys tells him to calm down, wait until after the mass, etc…..he insists and they put him in a control hold and escort him out of the building. He calms down a bit and begins praying with another pastor, telling him he needs help, etc….
He flips out and tries to attack the pastor who’s helping him and one of my guys uses a rear head control takedown(the Nir special I call it), flips him on his stomach and handcuffs him.
Afterwards. he didn’t even know what he did, it just came to him naturally, the other guys had to recount the events to him.
Thanks to all of you guys who I’ve had the honor to learn from and Imi, at least 2 more people were saved from harm. Who knows what else he may have done?
To the original poster, I respectfully call bull****!
Re: Belt test online!
Do you have a driver’s license and drive a car?
If so, and you were interested in learning how do drive a tractor trailer, or fly a plane, would/should you be able to learn online and worse, test online without practicing in front of a qualified instructor and then taking a test?
Should you be given a new driver’s license or permit that allows you to drive a 50,000 ton vehicle? Absolutely not, you would be a danger to yourself and others. Thats the same thing with trying to learn KM online and trying to become an instructor that way.
I don’t know of any organizations that do that for KM, I certainly would run away from anyone that does get involved with that type of nonsense.
I think it’s a universal NO to answer your question.
Re: Balancing Aggression With Tactical Caution
You used a very key word in your description, tactical caution.
I’m 6’3″ and 235lbs. It’s unfair and unrealistic to think you can take direct shots from me. The whole idea behind sparring is to condition you mentally and physically, so you can react to the situation at hand without panicking.
Don’t get hit(esp by a much bigger person), attack first, try to avoid those situations….if all else fails, and you find yourself against a much larger opponent, you have to protect yourself as best you can and attack as violently as possible. Those are things you should be learning in class, I hope you are.
It’s never an easy situation, but the idea is to not get into a sparring match with an attacker.
A quick pre-emptive strike, or counter attack is much more effective against an attacker than hitting a guy in the gym who’s expecting to be hit. The attacker is looking for a victim, not an opponent.
Good luck!
Re: Question about US law – choke vs shove
It’s assault either way, the amount of force used to defend is up to you and should be enough to nuetralize a threat.
I shove can escalate, it can also stop at a shove. A choke is much worse and should be dealt with accordingly.
Re: Technique Adaptations To Work Around Body Limitations?
If he can’t do the traditional one, he probably will have issues with this as well.
Like I said, pretend you are carrying a child and cannot use either hand.
Turn violently.
It takes practice, but it works.
Re: Technique Adaptations To Work Around Body Limitations?
I have a couple of students that have range of motion issues as well.
Here’s a tip. Pretend that you are carrying a child in both hands. If someone were to pull /choke you from behind, what would you do? You wouldn’t drop the child would you? You wouldn’t try and pull away from them in the opposite direction would you?
You need to turn violently and deal with the attacker.
If it’s two hands, take a step back to one side(whichever side went first) turn violently into your attacker and counter with lower body combatives. You may also be able to get a headbutt in if you turn dynamically enough.
You wouldn’t throw your child into the attacker would you? I might, not you….hehehe…
If it’s a one handed pull, say left shoulder, you would just turn violently in that direction and follow up with strikes.
Hope this helps!
Re: Bats don’t always win
quote Don:Good Vid DK! Two thoughts came to mind – 1. don’t carry a weapon you don’t know how to use properly and 2. a pretty good execution of blunt object defense (although the big guy didn’t do anything the whole time he was watching the little guy run at him while armed with the bat…)!That little dude was hilarious running around like a maniac! Big guy did a nice job, and the ladies screaming in the background was priceless.
Re: Kapap History?
Krav Panim El Panim – KAPAP is the Hebrew acronym for Face To Face Combat. It is the original combat system of CQB, hand-to-hand combat and self-defense, employed by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF).
KAPAP fight tactics originated in the 1940’s and were used by the Palmach (Jewish Strike Brigades) forces in fighting for the independence of the State of Israel. These Palmach units later formed the core of Israel’s special units in the conventional military (IDF).
KAPAP ACADEMY was founded by Albert Timen who served in one of Israel’s elite Counter Terror units. Due to constant research in this field he and other Instructors have modified and upgraded the system to fit legal aspects of civilian self defense, as well as becoming applicable by Law Enforcement , Military and Security operators worldwide. The Academy is based in the United States and serves as an International Instructional institute operating and represented in more than 20 countries by local Instructors certified by KAPAP ACADEMY.
KAPAP ACADEMY is staffed by former official Israeli Military and Police instructors in Counter Terror combatives (LOTAR). It is an “all combat” system — a system totally dedicated to close combat and self-defense, with and without weapons. It has no sporting or competition aspect. Nor does it adhere to any classical/traditional school of thought.
Re: Kicked out of class – justified?
I think it’s absurd that you would be asked to leave a class because you cannot finish a conditioning drill, whether you were ill or just gassed from the drill.
I’ve trained with some excellent instructors and practitioners, and no one has ever said something as ridiculous as “I would’ve preferred you vomit”. Apparently he didn’t consider that others may vomit as well, that would’ve been nice for potential customers to see.:banghead:
One of Imi’s principle rules during training was “don’t get hurt” hence controlled sparring. Asking someone to work thru nausea seems a bit unreasonable.
Seems like your instructor has had too much of his own kool aid.
Traffic really sucks in Miami and I have to be somewhat flexible. Students usually apologize and ask permission to enter once I’ve started.
Hope it works out for you.
Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!! Kapap and Krav maga
quote CJs Dad:Its going to depend of whos teaching and where they learned it.They can only show you what they learned.
I’m the admin here for the KM forums and been training in it for over 7 years. I’m also certified from Israel Level B instructor in Kapap.
imho they are more similar than different. But again its always going to depend on who is teaching, and where they got their techniques from.
Is that who you are studying with?
I just spent 5 minutes watching Avi Nardia teach a defense to a 2 handed choke from the front, and it’s basically the same thing I do and most other instructors do. 2 hand pluck with combatives. Depending on the situation, you may see someone add locks, cavaliers, a throw or other things you learn along the way.
There are additional things that he does, as do I and anyone who’s been doing it for awhile, that may make it seem to a new student as “advanced, or elite, or specific to his system” most of that comes with experience, which you would get with a good KM instructor.
I agree with CJ’s dad that there are more similarities than there are differences, but that’s because Nardia and all those other guys learned KM in the military, then afterwards started their own organizations.
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Good luck in finding someone. The most important thing is to start training with someone you feel comfortable with, regardless of the system.
Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!! Kapap and Krav maga
quote JC-BAKOM:Is really KAPAP for civilians, not for the army? Do you have some source where I could read this? From the info I got -maybe wrong info- even KAPAP was a system before Krav Maga.I was telling “more to finish an opponent”, because what I have watched here. When you train Krav Maga, you train to scape. When you train Kapap, you train to fight (use of BJJ is a clue). I don’t know if both ways to teach here are the proper, haha… Anyway guess in high levels you can get a proper fight with both; while this happens, here in my country just very early levels of practinioners exist for both: Kapap and KravMaga.
But…
Then, what is exactly the difference between Kapap and Krav Maga, for example in matter of ways to hit, matter of techniques? What ONLY belong to Kapap and what only belong to Krav Maga? Is it possible to make a difference in this way?
Regards!
There isn’t an official letter from the IDF that states the KAPAP is only taught to civilians. Krav Maga is the official system used by the IDF, of that there is no doubt.
Krav Maga teaches you to do whatever it takes to survive an encounter. You saying that it teaches you to escape and KAPAP teaches you to fight makes no sense to me me.
Train in whatever you feel works for you and don’t worry about the rest of it.
Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!! Kapap and Krav maga
Krav Maga is the only official system taught in the IDF.
KAPAP, Haganah,LOTAR,CKM are all civilian systems that claim to be official parts of the IDF. Part of that reason is that when KM was getting very popular in the US about 10 -12 years ago, there was a lawsuit over who owned the name Krav Maga, I imagine these other civilian systems thought it prudent to invent their own system to keep business running in the event they couldn’t use the name Krav Maga anymore. I’m sure other reasons exist, like creating your own special brand, etc….but that’s where is started.
As for KM not teaching weapon retention, it’s taught in the law enforcement
as well as some upper levels.The part about Kapap is “more to finish an opponent” makes no sense to me as that’s all I’ve ever been taught and teach.
Have a great Sunday mates!
Re: OODA loop and Violence
quote Don:Hey Rick, would that be “pahf” “payf” or “pa Fay”? :p(more pesos related to LE training)
For my lectures, after I explain what OODA is and how it works and applies to things like reactionary gap/lag time/action is faster than reaction/etc, then I talk about how it relates to us doing our jobs – why we train certain procedures or utilize certain techniques. Along the lines of what Kevin, Timmy, and Rick said, I discuss how we apply OODA in combat.
For our own OODA loops, we are trying to accelerate the cycle, minimizing the time for each component of OODA, and getting from O to A in as little time as possible. OBSERVE – we need to pay attention/maintain awareness, you can’t react to something you don’t see coming. ORIENT – schema and context – if you do see something, you have to know what you’re looking at, recognizing danger signs and red flags, recognizing early on if/when a situation could be turning bad for you. DECIDE – knowing legal standing, what our rules of engagement are, knowing what we’re allowed to do, pre-planning ahead of time (running drills, scenarios, mental evaluations, etc) possible courses of action for particular situations. ACT – Training and Practicing – our physical skills and abilities, using and deploying/employing tools and weapons (even empty hands), etc.
We stress that hesitation to use force or using too little force can get you seriously hurt or killed. We remind our students that having Knowledge and Confidence increases your Decisiveness.
And as has been mentioned, in relation to our opponents’ OODAs, we are trying to either get to A before they do or interrupt or reset their loop (not allowing them to get to A) or both.
For our opponent’s OODA – OBSERVE – don’t let them see or know that something is coming, the elements of surprise or deception, not giving them a free opportunity to do something about what you’re planning to do to them. ORIENT – keep moving, keep them guessing, give them as much new stimuli as possible (especially if/when you’re already behind the 8 ball) the more predictable you are, the more you stay still, the easier it is for your opponent. DECIDE – interrupt their thought processes, keeping them mentally and physically engaged in something other than formulating or carrying out a plan. If you’re having trouble keeping them occupied (they’re not talking to you or answering questions or following orders), it’s very likely they’re planning on lying, fleeing, or attacking. ACT – put yourself in a position of physical advantage and them a position of disadvantage every chance you get. Restrict their ability to move or act, make them at least give you some kind of warning or indication that they are about to do something; or maybe get them to start a bad motor program, to do something you would prefer them to do and are ready for.
Tuhon Tom Kier (Sayoc Kali) tells a story about him shooting pool (9 ball) with a nationally ranked player one time. It was Tuhon Tom’s turn to break so he broke, sank a ball, and then proceeded to run the table on the other guy. He then states that him running the table on the other guy doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s a better pool player than the other guy – the point was that it was his (Tuhon Tom’s) turn, he kept his turn, and the other guy didn’t get a chance to go.
To borrow Sayoc Kali terminology – we’d prefer to be the Feeder rather than Receiver whenever possible, we’d prefer them reacting to us rather than the other way around. And if we start out as the Receiver, we need to somehow get to being the Feeder as early as possible. If/when it’s our turn to go, we never let the other guy go again. Ideally…
thumbsupWell put!
Re: OODA loop and Violence
One of the best explanations of OODA come from Nir, when he basically says that the brain is like a spinning wheel on a bike, it keeps spinning until you put a stick into the wheel and it stops spinning, now you have to remove the stick to start all over again.
Your attackers mind is made and is acting towards a certain objective, he’s already gone thru the 4 steps, it’s up to us to cause pain/damage/distract to hit the attackers reset button, making our job easier.
He says perceive/analyze/formulate/execute, but it’s all the same.
OODA sounds cooler than PAFE….:Unsure:
