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September 6, 2006 at 10:00 pm #49514theironmanMember
Applicability
Small joint manipulations work on semi-compliant individuals, but you get only one shot at it. Definitely less is more in that situation.
Against a more agressive subject, you need to use larger appendages and gross motor-type of movements. Fine motor movements such as finger locks and wrist locks don’t work against someone who wants to fight you. That’s where distractions and such come into play.
September 6, 2006 at 9:26 pm #49513theironmanMemberIneffectiveness Proven
An impact study was done and it was found that the traditional wooden straight baton had more impact force than an ASP or a side-handle (PR-24) baton. Therefore, more effectiveness per strike thus leading to less strikes required for neutralizing or incapacitating.
I had the study link in my bookmarks, but lost it after I upgraded last year. The study is about 5 years old I think. Anyway, just my 2 cents.
November 28, 2005 at 10:30 pm #41929theironmanMemberYawn — Stretch
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Dunno what this has to do with the actual subject matter of this forum.
December 31, 2004 at 9:00 am #35581theironmanMemberLets all remember that no style is better, they’re just different.
Whatever worked for you in a real-deal situation will by-far be the system, style, or technique you trust the most. That’s just the way it is.
December 29, 2004 at 9:14 pm #35549theironmanMemberIf your instructor put you on the test, you’re already good to go.
What the ‘test’ really encompasses is your heart (determination). Can you push yourself through it and not quit? That’s the ‘test’ in its rawest sense.
It’s all mind-over-matter…. If you don’t mind, it don’t matter.You haven’t lived until you’ve been worked from 7am-3pm for a black belt test.
Lemme tell you, any level you achieve really is ‘earned’.
Cheers!
December 29, 2004 at 9:13 pm #35548theironmanMemberIf your instructor put you on the test, you’re already good to go.
What the ‘test’ really encompasses is your heart (determination). Can you push yourself through it and not quit? That’s the ‘test’ in its rawest sense.
It’s all mind-over-matter…. If you don’t mind, it don’t matter.You haven’t lived until you’ve been worked from 7am-3pm for a black belt test. Lemme tell you, it really is ‘earned’.
Cheers!
December 29, 2004 at 8:56 pm #35547theironmanMemberActually, you’d want to drink a big 16oz glass of milk before-hand.
just-kidding..LOL!!You should carb-up the day before the test. I know our L2 tests are in the afternoon so it’d be wise to have some pasta for dinner and some good-quality carbs in the morning. Definitely something light about 2-3 hours before your test if in the afternoon.
\”Hydrate or die\” is a long-standing triathaolon creedo. Works in Krav too. I do the same thing as rosie does myself.
The unpleasant side effects of coffee can be heard in my company’s restroom about 10AM during business days. 8 out of 10 stalls are occupied. I don’t have such a problem cause I don’t abuse too much. Plus I make my own brew.
Jack in the box would be pushing it on a test day. Especially if you have the tacos. Ouch! You don’t want your body to be in digest-mode on something heavy like that. Plus your blood thickens up a bit from the insulin dump. Not good juju.
Anyway, Congrats!
Cheers!
December 29, 2004 at 8:31 pm #35546theironmanMember\”We market ourselves to the average person because that’s who needs what we do\”
Once the already-trained Martial Artist grasps this concept when stepping into KM training, it’ll go alot easier.
Remember — \”Empty your cup\”. Those who’ve ‘studied’ the Martial Arts for any length of time will understand this.
Cheers!
December 26, 2004 at 10:00 am #35507theironmanMemberOnce you are at a ‘level’ you’ll realize that a kick is just a kick and a punch is still a punch regardless of what system or style you take. You’ll also discover that like any other performing art or motor skill, it’s perishable.
Krav’s intent is to teach someone to wage some soft of defense whether it be a technique followed by a combative or by the Nike option.
What I’ve discovred about the Krav philosophy is that taking some sort of action (even if it’s not exact) is better than not taking any action at all.
Cheers!
December 26, 2004 at 9:33 am #35506theironmanMemberWhy I’m in Krav
After growing up and teaching in a traditional school and earning my 2 degrees after 14 years, I discovered that Krav is to-the-point and is a helluva workout. I enjoy the hell out of it and its simplicity. There’s not a whole lot I need to re-learn.
Krav combatives are free-flowing and there’s no ‘box’ that you’re put into. I also appreciate the stress drills. I think there’s things in the cirriculum that have gotten diluted in most schools thesedays.
Last December, I just walked into the school, monitored the instructor, did an intro for a week, and I was hooked.
So to answer your question, I learned how to fight so I wouldn’t have to fight. To win the fight with no fight is the highest level anyway.
Cheers!
December 26, 2004 at 9:17 am #35505theironmanMemberMike Kanarek
Isn’t he the creator of that F.I.G.H.T. system? I’ve seen floating around the MA magazines? I think the uniform he wears is similar to that of Krav too.
Sounds like the same dude.
December 26, 2004 at 9:04 am #35504theironmanMemberASP Ineffectiveness
Having been involved with LE Training as a certified instructor in both Arrest/Control, Self Defense, and Baton for the past 7 years, I’ve discovered that the ASP IS INEFFECTIVE as a real defensive weapon for LE.
I say this because time and time again, no matter how big or strong the user is, the ASP has NEVER registered any readings close to that of the wooden straight baton. The typical straight baton has ALWAYS registered higher PSI readings on measurements taken by impact measurement devices time and time again. Also, the testimony of those who’ve had actual stick-time with the two will agree.
I don’t want to hold a physics classs here, but through my experience all the ASP has been capable of doing in pissing off the subject and not having any affect at all, either when they’re hyped up or not. If you want a simple test, try hitting a baseball with each and you’ll see what I mean.
The ASP is better than nothing and I see it as an alternative for undercover work or as a secondary weapon. I’d venture to guess it has it’s place, but I wouldn’t endorse it for my uniforms as a primary weapon if it were up to me.
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