Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

[psyops]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

Open mind?

I consider myself to be fairly open minded but on this subject I am not changing my mind. Moni Aizik is a liar. He has repeatedly attempted to pass himself off as the “co-founder” of Krav Maga. He never studied under Imi! This guy is the worst kind of scam artist. He is the type of guy who takes credit for others work. So I am not going to be nice and respectful to a lying worm!

This is not style bashing this is liar bashing. CKM might be the greatest system in the world but Moni is still a lying piece of garbage! Counter terrorism specialist? My ass! He is scrambling now like a little cock roach. He knows we are on to his bull****! So run Moni. Yeah I know you read these threads Moni. Stop hiding and come in here and speak up. Oh thats right your just to honorable and respectful for that right?

[coatesy]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

quote Psyops:

Open mind?

I consider myself to be fairly open minded but on this subject I am not changing my mind. Moni Aizik is a liar. He has repeatedly attempted to pass himself off as the “co-founder” of Krav Maga. He never studied under Imi! This guy is the worst kind of scam artist. He is the type of guy who takes credit for others work. So I am not going to be nice and respectful to a lying worm!

This is not style bashing this is liar bashing. CKM might be the greatest system in the world but Moni is still a lying piece of garbage! Counter terrorism specialist? My ass! He is scrambling now like a little cock roach. He knows we are on to his bull****! So run Moni. Yeah I know you read these threads Moni. Stop hiding and come in here and speak up. Oh thats right your just to honorable and respectful for that right?

The reason i was on about this point is because of theses comments

Is Moni saving lives? Perhaps. Is he putting lives in danger with sub par techniques

If you are coming from the “So what if he lied, the system is still good” point of view. I can only sigh and wish you well in your training. But CKM is a fabricated load of crap! Just between us though ok?

How do you know if you have never trained in it yuo could bash any style just by watching the but by practising it and taking bits from it that work and discarding what doesnt he does incorperate alot of judo and jujitsu but they have been around for a hundreds of years and do work ,
I dont want to change you’re mind or anyones about the whole moni thing everyone has there right to say what they feel even though i have been warned about somethings i have said
As i said i like both styles i have no problem with.

[don]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

quote coatesy:

I do not study ckm although you all presumed i do….

i was looking around for krav maga when i came across this thread….

coatesy, you have admitted (excerpted above) that you do not study CKM and it sure seems like you have not trained in KM either. IMnshO, you have less of a leg to stand on (i.e. credibility) than everyone else who has been commenting in this thread.

Since I don’t know anything about CKM or Moni, I haven’t been participating in this discussion (although I have been reading with interest). The consensus seems to be that CKM may be an OK self defense system and Moni may be an OK instructor – that being said, Moni’s character and integrity has come into question.

IF you are as non-affiliated as you claim to be, why are you so determined to support/defend Moni???

Btw, if you haven’t had any training in CKM or KM, how can you state:

quote coatesy:

As i said i like both styles i have no problem with.

with anything but blind adulation?

Unless your experiences with CKM, KM, Moni, etc are different than what you say, perhaps it would be a good idea to sit back and listen to those who actually HAVE had experiences with CKM and Moni (especially those who have trained in both CKM and KM), and those who have been keenly following the entire history of the issues at hand…

[coatesy]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

Most poeple on here are like me then i have done jujitsu and judo so i know what im on about there,
i am more interested in the techniques and if you have read my earlier threads i only came on here to get advice and i got some but most of it was haveing ago at it not
I can claim i have no problem with them as i am nuetral i would like to study both i have researched both styles asking questions watching and practising dvd’s even though its not the same as in a gym, i dont have an issue with both sides just some peoples attitudes i got annoyed with the fact poeple are more interested in putting a style down than constructive critisism.
and as you point out it should be left to poeple who have done both studied both styles and it all 1 sided alot cof it coming from la where most of the controversy arised i am not defending moni i want to go an study both in a gym but there are no gyms near me,

[coatesy]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

everyones credability comes into quesion on forums i want to study both styles as i say they compliment each other like most things like muay thai and bjj,
everyone has the right to free speech or do they ………

[freelancer]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

quote coatesy:

everyones credability comes into quesion on forums i want to study both styles as i say they compliment each other like most things like muay thai and bjj,
everyone has the right to free speech or do they ………

Yes they do, but yours seems to be composed of going back and forth to both forums and actually inciting much of this. To me that’s the defenition of a troll.

But that’s just my free speech opinion. :wav:

[bradm]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

quote coatesy:

everyones credability comes into quesion on forums i want to study both styles as i say they compliment each other like most things like muay thai and bjj,
everyone has the right to free speech or do they ………

Coatesy, personally I don’t think it wise to study two different reality based self defense systems. RBSD systems are not like traditional martial arts where you can compliment one with another like Mauy Thai and BJJ. That would be fine if you are training in MMA, but not for reality self defense. My advice would be to try out the differnent self defense systems you are interested in like KM or CKM. Try them both and, in the end, select the one that best suits you and train 100% in it only. Both KM and CKM are based on muscle memory, being able to react instantly, with out thought, for a given attack or encounter. If you have tried to incorporate two systems into your defense arsinal and the defense for a given attack is different between the two systems, when the time comes for you to defend yourself your brain may take a second or two to decide which defense you should use. That second or two delay could cost you your life.

In the final anaylsis, the decision is up to you. Pick one system, train in it, and stick to it. Just my 2-cents. Good luck!

[jsumm54421]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

Gadfly,

Thanks for your comment. I can agree with your position about techniques. My point on techniques can be explained like this: A simple groin kick or punch may be a “good ” technique if the one executing it has good power, speed and timing. If not, the same technique may prove to be a disaster in a real self defense situation.

If Joe drunk picks up a knife and lunges with an attack, there are many options a skilled defender may have to stay out of harms way. However, if the attacker is a skilled knife fighter and is attacking an individual forced to only work with empty hands, then the same techniques will mostly likely prove to be a huge mistake. The attacker’s and defender’s individual skills play a key role in how well a technique stands up to a real attack.

So what I wanted to highlight is that techniques go hand and hand with an individual’s personal / physical attributes. All techniques may or may not be good, however, all techniques have a potential to suffer from flawed execution.

[jl]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

Ok guys, this is the last post from me about this issue(integrity and honesty in CKM and It’s advertising).

If you have not gone through Certifications in both styles, then you are on the outside looking in. If you have, then your opinion will be an informed one. But if you have Certified in both styles and have done your due diligence on the backgrounds of the Chief or Lead Instructors, than you can not come away with any other opinion then that Moni or (Pino, Moni’s real name) is no more than an untruthful man with not an ounce of integrity. Period end of the argument. It really doesn’t matter how well something works if the basis for the training is predicated on lies, or unauthorised plagerism of others techniques!!!!
Someone on here said that the CKM system is much different that it used to be. The reason for that is Moni(Pino) had to get used to the learning curve. He had no stand up ability when I trained with him. If he was put under any real pressure in a fight he would go directly to the ground given the slightest chance. If he stayed on his feet he would get owned. Why do you think Ilan and Daniel do so much in the DVD’s? They have the skill set needed to complete the techniques!!! Why do you never see Moni (pino) doing striking , soft rolls, breakfalls, etc.? Some of the CKM people need to get off the Hero Worship bull#*^t. And start thinking for themselves about how far they want to take this, if one of your students should get into a bit of trouble or worse in a street altercation. You will have nothing to back up to in Moni. He will leave you hanging hi and dry. Now to Moni…. you are a disappointment to me and countless others. IMHO,You are a disgrace to to the IDF and all it stands for. You should be jailed if even one of your students gets into trouble by following you, and your false advertising. If you have an ounce of integrity left, come on here and show us the COMMANDO you really are. If not, don’t go away mad, just go away!!! JL

[gadfly]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

Hey JL and Psyops,

get off your fences guys and say what you really think. If I were Obama I’d appoint you two as the Ambassadors to China and Iran respectively – we’re going to have to fight them sometime so let’s kick it all off now while we still have a chance…

Seriously, your points are unanswerable – maybe we should have stopped being civil about this guy a little earlier and he’d have ripped off fewer people.

[cjs-dad]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

quote Gadfly:

maybe we should have stopped being civil about this guy a little earlier and he’d have ripped off fewer people.

Oh it’s been tried but the admin deletes things that are to far over the line.

[coatesy]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

freelancer take you’re head for a s+)t i have had a few replies cut out of here thats why i meant that as im sure most poeple on here have alot of poeple on here have got good points and ideas im not attacking anyone here and there are alot of decent honest poeple here but this is the internet and you cant really know who is writeing you could be a 6 ft 11 fet hairy transvestite but wh knows thats the credability i am only intrested in opinions on poeples opinions on the techniques thats all and thats all so like jl thats it from me i would like to do krav maga

[psyops]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

With respect to the admin he has a job to do. He can’t expose KMWW to potential legal issues by allowing some things to fly. That being said as far as I am concerned the gloves are off. I will not stand by and watch some guy try and eat of our plate.

There are fantastic Krav Maga practitioners all over the world who are sick and tired of this crap. Black Belt Magazine is aware of all of the issues surrounding this guy but those whores are too busy whiping their mouthes off to care.

Moni lurks on this site. His legal team has threatened lawsuits. He had a business associate of his go on a campaign to defame and attack Darren Levine. David Kahn has been hammering things from his side. Eyal Yanilov has spoken plainly about Moni. How many times does this have to occur before the Kool Aid drinkers wake up.

Since I am being so honest let me say this. To all the former KMWW instructors who got pissed at the organization and went to join Moni. You can come back home now. I know you might have to eat some humble pie, but you can come on home.

Moni Aizik. Stop hiding! Stop lying and stop being a ooward! Stop spitting in our faces and disrespecting Imi and all those who have dedicated our lives to teaching the system. You tried to bastardize the system. You tried to steal from us. All of us! We will not forget.

So no I am not interested in any thing this guy has to say other than a complete apology for being a lying worm!

[morkravi]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

there should be another area opened to discusse ckm techniques vs all other systems techniques. The most important issue here is not if ckm is any good or not, personaly i dont think its any good and i havent met any krav maga instructors in the ENTIRE idf, from any of our other special units that think ckm is any good for real life survival. every one of our instructors in the special forces have already seen ckm, we have all watched aizik’s dvds and not only is ckm NOT krav maga, but it is not a system that any of us would teach our soldiers or recommend to people.

The important issue here is that first, aizik made a calculated move to invent his story around the fact that Imi passed away and would not be able to tell the world that aizik is a fraud, and that Eli Avikzar also passed away shortly before aizik jumped into action with his con. Eli was one of Imi’s top students and Imi appointed Eli to be the chief commander of krav maga to the idf when he retired in 1968, Eli held that position untill 1988. If he was still alive he would also confirm that aizik is a fraud.

Second, is that aizik has the nerve to steal the credit of Imi’s life long work and contribution to Israel and the idf.

Third, is that aizik has the nerve to take the idf’s official system and recreate its history and its true image and bring every idf krav maga instructor’s credibility into question.

and last is that aizik, instead of spending so much time and energy into inventing stories and plans to steal people’s money, should have spent that time and energy into becoming a real israeli special forces commando and instructor.

I will be posting some more information on mr. aizik very shortly, stay tuned.

Y

[kior]

Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik

There’s a simple conceptual conflict within Moni’s claims. One the one hand he claims that he created a better version of krav maga that’s used by elite commandos and that for a price not only can you (a civilian, not a commando) learn the system but you can learn to teach it (in 3 days no less!). On the other hand when people ask him to prove this, he says he can’t because what he did in the IDF was a secret. If it’s such a state secret then why is he allowed to talk about it and profit from passing on these elite commando tactics to anyone who has the money for his DVDs?

When I was looking for a krav maga class I found several places and had no idea what CKM was. I looked at the site and found one which was trying to sell me overpriced DVDs and a 3 day instructor course and one that just wanted me to take lessons. I think I made the right decision.

Also coatesy you say you like both styles, yet you say that in (non commando) krav maga we are taught to ‘punish’ the attacker. I’ve never been taught to ‘punish’ anyone, I’ve been taught to counterattack as soon as possible, move off the line and scan for further attackers, objects to use as weapons and a bloody escape route! Were you not taught similar tactics or are you simply repeating the breeze that Moni chats as to why his inability to punch is somehow a strength in a combat situation?

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