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Re: Video explanaition of Ground survival vs Jiu Jitsu

Interesting topic because there are so many different things to consider.

I will play devils advocate a little bit and claim that by training BJJ and MMA I have tremendously increased my chances to escape on the floor.

I’m a big fan of biting, scratching etc but if that’s the tools you have to escape it will make you very limited. It hurts like ehh real bad , but what if people can withstand the pain long enough to hurt you bad from a better position on the ground?
I know some examples where people continue to fight despite of the fact they should be in great pain. In boxing I’m talking about bruiced and broken ribs, broken hand etc.
There are huge problems with people on alcohol and drugs who just totally ignore pain.

So, DO train on solid escapes and using leverage to escape ground situations.
It means learning to fight on the ground so you know what works from witch position.

I do agree with the guy in the video, I really would not like to be bitten like that, but I do worry about some people I’ve met who rely on pinching and biting to escape from a mount position etc. Your pinching and biting against him grounding and pounding you with his almost full bodyweight in his punches is not an honoust fight. You should be working on getting out of their and if not possible at least be moving enough so he can’t have enough balance to land effective blows.

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Re: Krav Maga Global students here?

I do not agree that the ground defenses are poor on ikmf.
Basically they are a lot like defenses used in bjj/mma such as the bridge and roll defense from mount.
But krav also has to deal with weapons on the ground and the issue of multiple opponents etc.
Therefor its not a grappling art and defenses are very basic.

I’ve been getting private lessons on bjj for a couple of years now.
I still like the krav defenses on the ground.
The only things i’m doing different now is keeping much better posture.
For example i hardly punch to the head from guard position anymore because o know how easy it is to get guardsweeped now.

I love the great mma and bjj techniques but we should not mix them with krav maga too much.
We have a seperate mma class for people who want more advanced grappling/ groundfighting.

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Re: Krav Maga Global students here?

The changes are not very major in my opinion. The system has ben evolving for a long time and it still does. Ofcourse it’s important to always be critical towards the system, test the techniques and adjust if needed. This is one of the things I love about krav.
But it’s still krav maga and looks like krav maga.

The only big difference is the focus on prevention.
I don’t think the curriculum has been stretched. It has changed quite some witch has to do with our perception of the most efficient learning curve and also priorities.
defenses against attacks that seem to happen less common are moved further into the system. I’ve had a one weekend instructor update. I’m sure I still have some updates to go before I know how much really has changed.

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Re: Anyone ever train in regular clothes?

I’ve had classes where students should come in their everyday clothes. usually i enforce our federation uniforms and if students show up in different clothes they’ll get some extra exercises that class (extra exercises for free though)

So this thread reminds me I should have some of those classes again.

Personally I used to work in event security and wore a combat pants with comfortable sweater or jacket. fortunately I did not have suit up very often. I do remember how we once had to wear real ties on sertain jobs and on the way to an incident I had to get rid of that thing while running. I hardly do security work anymore but I do still wear just comfortable clothing to move in, no juwelery etc.

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Re: Syllabus and curriculums, different organisations

There have been changes in techniques as well. Usually extra variations or modifications to get better bodydefense etc etc. One thing I’m very happy about is the increasing focuss on prevention and de-escalation of violence.

Usually I agree with the changes made.
That said,I do not think it’s the small variations in a technique that is going to save your life. Personally I have always paid a lot of attention on the fighting skills and stress/ determination drills.
I don’t think as a student you should worry too much about the politics of federations.
Make sure your instructors had valid training and is still training . (all the well known federations have instructor certification programs) Don’t end up in a club where the instructors training is just youtube.

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Re: Krav Maga Global students here?

I’ve been training since 2004 and teaching since 2005. I started with IKMF and when the split came about a year ago I chose to stay with eyal and join KMG.

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Re: Press ups on knuckles

They can be bad if you do them incorrectly on a very hard surface such as a concrete floor.
To be on the safe side I do them on the knuckles with new students only in slow motion.

I do have my students do it because if you strike with your knucles to the face and put weight/mass into your punch you’re also hitting a pretty hard surface. People should realize how vulnerable the fist really is if you don’t hit correctly.

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Re: Krav Maga Global students here?

yes, I’m a KMG instructor, and therefor also a KMG student.

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Re: ATTN: KM school owners

In my gym I have one part with mats that are 2 centimeters thick , in the other part I have a wooden floor. We train on shoes.

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Re: Are there competition krav maga matches ?

Matches in krav maga would consist of two fighters who will make the safest choice in the situation. I think it’s boring to watch two people de-escalating their fight.

If you want to compete I agree MMA is a good deal. I would however not compete in MMA if you don’t have an experienced trainer with you. This goes for any full contact sport.

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Re: Legality of intervention

In the Netherlands you’re obligated to do anything you can to help a person in trouble.
Anything you can may just be calling 112 (eurpean 911) or getting people to help or intervening yourself.

However, if you go “too far” you do risk a lot of legal issues.
The right proportion in any situation is open for debate so I’m afraid our legal system is not really in favour of people stepping in to help.

If you catch any criminal in the act , any civilian is allowed to apprehend the person and hand him/her over to the police. Reasonable force is permitted to make sure the person does not run away. Using handcuffs or even tie raps is not permitted.

Again, reaonable force is open for debate. You do risk penalty if your criminal gets hurt.

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Re: When does it become considered "assault" instead of self defense?

In the Netherlands the law in itself is very simple. You can do whatever necessary to defend your self and other people as well as your property. The response has to be in proportional level to the threat.
unfortunately you are not allowed to carry any type of weapon.

The interpretation of necessary force in reality is very problematic though.

You may have a split second to decide what to do while the judge has all the time in the world to study the situation and see if you were able to deal with the situation with less force.
Often judges have no clue about reality and think martial arts will give you a charisma that prevents you from being attacked. It makes it harder to claim you had a need to use force.
They also think you should have more control than other people to deal with the situation in a less violent way. (wich is true to some extend)

It’s important to deal with legal issues such as this in self defense.
One of my students was attacked recently and two of his attackers went down after an elbow strike. He clearly tried to defuse the situation both verbally and with bodylanguage so anybody there saw he was trying to stop them. The police gave him a big thumbs up for the way he handled the situation and told them they were instructed to deal with it pretty much the same way.

By teaching de-escalation and prevention you can both prevent escalation as well as making legal issues easier to deal with.

One important thing is to never say you hit the guy because he hit you. Revenge is not self defense (at least not by Dutch law) So you should always clearly state you had no other choice to get away to safety.

For some reason I have not figgerd out yet it’s very helpfull in the Netherlands to be the first one to press charges. Go to the police as soon as you can after a situation.
(check yourself in a hospital first if needed)

I’m sure most of this also counts for other countries from what I understand.
I like the comment about not using the weapon on your opponent after taking it from him.
If you’re high on adrenaline you really need some self-control there.

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Re: Just had my very first sparing against another student, I need tips.

You have had some great advise already.
I love sparring and I like competition drills to increase the fighting level.

First of all the advise to create a number of favorite combo’s is great.
You can practise them while shadow boxing, while standing in front of a mirror, while practising on focuss mitts, doing them as counters to other techniques etc.
You’ll have plenty of options during the class.
Just don’t forget the other techniques 🙂

If you have the freedom to do so you can build up the amount of techniques used.
If you start with just boxing, or even with just straight punches you’ll only have a few attacks to worry about so it is less overwhelming and you’ll have more chance to recognize the attack and counter it.

There are many ways to build it up. just straight attacks, or all the kicks but only straight punches etc etc etc

I often use warming up games in my classes that build up sparring skills.
for example just tapping eachothers shoulders in a competition setting.
Or just tapping eachothers groin with a kick. or a combination of these type of games.
I’s great to practise footwork, recognizing attacks , defending them etc.
a tap towards the shoulders is basically the same movement as a punch, but its still just a game to warm up.

After a while even when practising with more force you’ll get used with recognizing attacks and dealing with them.
You will also get used to take hits better and deal with them.
Building stamina is very important.

And finally something you can immediately try is: KEEP LOOKING
Always look at what’s coming to you. do not close your eyes and move your head sideways.

good luck and most of all, have fun

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Re: Amnon Darsa

yes, he’s one of my instructors. He is a very good instructor with a good sense of humor. Prepare to work hard 😉

So, what kind of seminar will it be?

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Re: Is unaffiliated KM better than nothing?

A good instructor can teach you some good things even if it is not original krav maga.

BUT,
keep in mind that a lot of people use the term krav maga for marketing and collect techniques from youtube and/or other systems they practised before.

I’d rather learn some good pure karate, muay thai, MMA etc than fake krav maga.

just my two cents

have a good time there!

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