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Re: usefulness of sparring classes?
Thank you Ryan for saying everything I would have said. From hereon (on this topic) please refer to Ryan’s replies for my opinion.
Re: usefulness of sparring classes?
quote vwr32:I understand where you’re coming from, but I think statements like this throw a blanket over the most real form of training available to students in any discipline:I’m glad you said you were in the army, you’ll know where I’m going with this logic. All the battledrills in the world could do nothing to prepare someone for what they will experience in actual combat (not that I know). But practicing what you’ve learned at as close to combat speed with the emphasis on safety ingrains the “what to do when X happens” without having to think. Same for sparring no?
I’ve been in my share of fights (usually 30 ft from the front door of a bar) and know what it’s like to hit the concrete on a take down. I know what it’s like to take a direct kick to the groin. I know what it’s like to break a bone in my hand on the first punch. With the added adrenaline, I never felt a thing ’til after the fight. But I do understand your point, I just think u’re not giving sparring enough credit for building the muscle memory needed in a real altercation.
My .02 tho. 🙂
Vwr32, I agree with everything you say.
Psyops, you’re right many people will freeze when in a real situation. However, you have to remember that most people who train Krav Maga do it to feel safer on the streets; to stand a better chance on the street. That’s what we will give them. Most people don’t train Krav Maga – which I’m glad for – to win a bar fight; to be “tougher” on the street.
I was also in the military, SF. As you know, all the training in the world – even if it’s the best training in the world – doesn’t mean a person will not freeze in a real life situation or do something completely wrong. However, what the training does is provide the individual with as much knowledge and experience as possible in order to minimize the chances of having this happen to them.
Same goes for fighting. The more practice and experience you have, the better off you will be. Since sparring is one of the best alternatives to actual fighting (ring or street), it will always play a vital part of self-defense training. In fact, any self defense system that doesn’t include some kind of fluid fighting form will not be in the same division.
In other words, just like soldiers can’t practice how they will emotionally react in real war, individuals can’t practice their reactions without actually getting into a street fight. Since that’s not recommended or safe (nor 99% of the populations motive for training in the first place), our training is the next best thing to it, under safe circumstances.
You’re right, there are several great ring fighters that have had their behinds handed to them in street fights. However, by training, you raise your chances of doing well tremendously. In addition, I know of far more great fighters that have done fine in street encounters than vice versa.Re: usefulness of sparring classes?
quote Psyops:Don’t put words in my mouth.The point I am making is that the correlation between sparring and real fighting is a lot farther apart than most of us are willing to admit. The point of taking Krav is to increase one’s reaction to any given attack. Being proficient at self defense is not the same as being a good fighter. There as many similarities as there are differences. Is it neccesary to train with real knives to understand a knife defense? No. Are real guns essential? Of course not. However most people freeze when the threat gets real. I saw it in football. I saw it in the Army. I’ve seen it on the street. It is a reality.
So how important than is ground work? I would submit to you that more time should be spent avoiding being taken down than actually rolling around on the ground. In basically comes down to knowing the difference between self defense and fighting.
Well, I don’t know how hard you spar or who you spar but if you don’t feel your sparing is “realistic” enough, then find a partner and go full out. If you don’t feel that’s enough, enter an amateur fight somewhere and you’ll get the “realistic feeling” you’re looking for. Yes, people freeze. Yes, people react differently in real life vs training but as James mentioned, this is the closest to reality you will come. And believe me, I’m talking from experience both from the streets and fighting in the ring. I’ve had my eye brows cut, nose broken, jaw dislocated & teeth broken. Did that make me a better fighter or “tougher”? No. All it told me was that I needed to work on my defense.
Re: usefulness of sparring classes?
quote edsko:HeyFollowing on from the recent thread on sparring classes, I was wondering what people’s opinions are on the usefulness of sparring classes. How much emphasis should be put on them? The way I see it is that they are good for improving your reaction speed and hand-eye coordination etc., but I’m not so sure how useful actual sparring is in a real fight. I for one would try at all cost to end the fight as soon as I can, and sure hope to avoid sparring with the attacker 🙂
Actually Edsko,
Sparring is a vital part of realistic training: it’s the only way to – safely – simulate a fight. The first time you spar hard, you realize how quickly you get winded, how all your techniques – both offensively and defesively – are completely different. Yes, you (usually) don’t try to knock your partner’s head off, which you would in a real life situation but don’t worry – that will come naturally to you. Believe me when I tell you that I never entered a ring not trying to take my opponents head off as quickly as possible; the difference is that it is paced and methodical “rage”. NOT sparring, however, will never allow you to try these techniques in a live situation.Re: ACL Replacement Surgery
Mate, speak to Kristine. She had the surgery after a bad injury and look at her now! Less than one year later & she’s training harder than most!
Good luck mate, get well!
Re: Fancy Footwork
One way of getting good at foot work:repetition, repetition, repetition.
Nike has it down pretty well: “just do it”
Re: Woo Hoo! New gear!
DHU: at http://www.titleboxing.com and/or ringside.com, you can buy a “hook & loop” Velcro that you can put on your glove, so that you don’t have to do them up everytime.
I personally like Windy. However, mine (and one of my instructor’s) got worn out over the knuckles very quickly, unfortunately…
Re: Level testing at another location possible?
Dear Super B,
Jeremy answered the question for me: it’s to make sure that
a) the student isn’t just “shopping around” – a student’s few techniques might look good enough for that instructor but there may be other underlying factors to why the home instructor doesn’t feel they are ready to test.
b) Payments, etc. Each center is independent and a courtesy call just to avoid stepping on anyone’s toes is always good.The next level 2 test are Dec. 1st at NTC and Dec. 2 at S.O. Same goes for NTC & S.O., however: if you train at NTC, you need your main instructor there to sign off for you and vice versa. Good luck!
Re: How to work out with Krav in mind…
Love all the information above! I’d like to make one comment: what are your ultimate goals? Health? Gain? lose? DirtyhippieUte made a good point: Simple Maths: Eat more calories than you burn and you’ll gain weight and vice versa. However, although 3000 calories is 3000 calories, the statement isn’t 100% correct. Different intakes will have different effects on your body. Each molecule of sugar, for example, binds 2 molecules of water. Thus, you’ll gain more weight (although water weight) if you eat more carbs vs. protein.
When I diet, I can easily lose 15-17 in a 4-5 weeks. Healthiest? no. Most effective (e.g. in energy savings, etc)? Yes. By superhydrating & “supersodiumating” (is there such a word?), I will draw every oz of water off my bodythat I don’t need. Thus different from dehydrating myself. I had tremendous help from Swedish Fitness Pro Pauline Nordin (http://www.paulinenordin.com), who is a nutrition guru!Re: Level testing at another location possible?
Yes, doable. B/w SO and WLA or what? Otherwise, doable but only if instructor/licensee allows it and in both cases only if instructor at “home” center signs off for it.
Re: Krav Maga Worldwide and IKMA
The systems are very similar and come from the same source. However, the longer 2 systems are apart, the more they grow apart: Although the mentality & fundamentals are similar, Worldwide has grown & developed at a higher pace than IKMF.
