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Re: Left Hook Punch
Taking down a professional fighter is irrelevant but, if they can be taken down with ease than what about a beggining student that is going to throw it at the wrong time or not set it up correctly.
The pivot does take longer than you think and in self defense its all a matter of positioning, and tenths of seconds.
Do or dont pivot, but also dont teach students that the pivot increases power and prevents a takedown, a kick because it doesnt.
Re: Left Hook Punch
That’s the problem most people don’t understand the hook. They think its only a close range strike. Its not as long as a straight but the hook has a much longer range than most use it. They also throw most liver and spleen shots incorrectly and that is why generally those are taught as close range weapons as well. I learned that lesson the hard way from my friend Hector Pena (13 time world champion)
Takedowns done correctly are shot from the clinch range to even what you percieve as the ‘standard hook range’; so again if you pivot, you will get taken down against someone that knows.
Look, I had this same discussion with an Olympic level boxer. He thought things differently about the pivot after I kicked him and then another time took him down. In training many professional fighters, if they pivot, generally I get a free kick to their leg, a takedown or get to set up my favorite knock out combination. Like any strike and counter, its timing and recognition.
Also, a well hit hook is not lights out, no weapon is ever 100%.
Too increase your power on your left hook.
1. No gloves or wraps, stand square to a bag, neutral stance. Make contact with you hand lightly. see how it hits and make adjustsments as need to make sure you knuckles land correctly. most people try and hit a heavy bag to square directly in the middle from the side.
Increase the power and speed and make sure you hit correctly each time. If not slow down and decrease your power. The whole point is muscle memory so when you hit it as fast and as hard as possible that it is the same movement as slow.
2. Switch your stance and hit the bag. I generally use boxing gloves when I do this. Not too often, but because my hip is now open and I am striking from a longer range, I can increase my power. Think left straight vs a right straight. More distance equals more power! Guess that’s why the hook should be thrown using full range of motion. thumbsup
Goodluck
Re: Takedown Defence
Ok, sorry its taken me a few days, but the new job is taking all my time!
Hope this makes sense, it does in my brain. :Unsure:
Defending takedowns can be a complicated but if broken down correctly, IMO it is more manageable to understand and then it becomes more the application of certain defenses. If you can try find some improvised shield such as table or chair to put between you and your attacker.
There are basically four areas of a wrestlerís shot/body we need to deal with:- Hands
- Feet
- Head/chest
- Hips/chest
The first two are generally used by more experienced wrestlers, so I wonít focus too much on those right now as most people we will be dealing with are high school wrestlers and even less experienced. Hands are used to open the body up; utilizing tie-ups, arm drags, knee trips and ankle picks. The feet are used to trip, cause a movement and/or used to scoop a foot up. These can usually be dealt with by not tie-ing up, your movement and keeping your distance. A stationary target is easy to shoot on. Also, if someone tries to make a wrist grab or closes distance you should be adding some type of combative.
The last two are generally what most people are exposed to. These areas can be achieved by shooting in for a takedown or using 1 or 2 initially to get position. So distance and movement is crucial.
Head and chest: This is usually done with an attacker taking a shot but staying fairly high and making contact on your body with their head/chest. These takedowns can generally be handled by Krav Magaís Bear hug defenses, cross faces, combatives, good strong knees and positioning and even pushing them away. Their goal is to get close to eventually tie-up; lock hands around your waist or some other type of over/under hook and then work for the takedown.
Hips and Chest: A takedown is taken generally done by changing levels (lowering their head height) and then making contact with your body or legs. The goal is to get a single leg, double leg, turn the corner, or lift and slam. Once contact is made, a wrestler will then look to lock your hips up, secure one or both of your legs. If they miss, they will look for some type of over/under hook tie-up or body lock. These takedowns can generally be dealt with a sprawl and Krav Magaís bear hug defenses. Your goal on the sprawl is to keep the hip(s) they are shooting for down and away from them. Drive your body weight and chest onto them and keep driving the attackers head and body down into the ground.
Now there are many more takedowns shots, throws, tie-ups and even defenses against all of them. The best is to work on your movement, keep your distance and sprawl. If you want to learn how to stop a takedown, learn to take someone down. You will see all the steps and movements that need to be done in order to achieve the goal. If you stop one of those steps, they will have to transition to something else. Someone that is good at transitions will be very difficult to deal with.Without being in a class setting, it will be very difficult to go much more in depth. The best is to practice like anything else in time your movement will improve as well as your takedown defense.
Re: Takedown Defence
La Rev, thanks for the plug!
I had a great post the other day but the dumb time limit on the forum killed it. :soapbox:
I will retype it in the next day or so. My post explained takedown defenses in a good beginning student and krav maga manner.
Re: Basic Strikes not fast enough the Krav way?
If I was only boxing then, I would look at a boxer for striking points. But since we are learning self defense and have to worry about takedowns, kicks and so many other factors, look at others as well, not just boxing. just my two cents on that.
The hook – that’s the problem as well, too many think its only a close punch. The hook, right or left is a hook when your arm is not straight. So any bend in your elbow from chest to a straight punch, its a hook.
You dont need upper body mass to punch harder, just good technigue. Force = mass * acceleration. So small mass and more speed. Its the reason a wrecking ball can knock down a bigger stronger wall.
Re: Basic Strikes not fast enough the Krav way?
In Bas’ system, we dont pivot, you dont need to, especially on hooks.
If there is any pivot, we do the right foot only and only if it just happens in the moment.
The striking we do in the BRSystems is different than what you are learning in Krav Maga. Nothing wrong with pivoting, but we generate more power doing what we do than taking the time to pivot.
Power comes from your feet being connected to the ground and your hips rotating/twisting.
Re: Avoidings hooks and Jabs
Brent –
Wait until you see our new program(s). We should be finalizing everything up and releasing the material in the next few days.
Would be great to see you at one of the next courses again. Hope all is well.
Re: Avoidings hooks and Jabs
This information is from Bas Rutten Systems.
Jabs defenses:
Moving out of way (cutting angles), slipping, catching a jab, inside defense and loading defense. Constantly change the defenses and don’t stick to just one. Counter using strikes and kicks.
The loading defense, Bas came up with this about 6 years ago and we have used it ever since in the system. In this video there is several pro fighters practicing our defense and counter – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmoqVt6sws&feature=related
If done correctly, you have more than enough time to counter inside the other persons – left, right combination.
Hook defenses:
Blocking outside(think KM defense #3), moving back, ducking and last covering. The last two, we are not fans of. Do not rely on or using more than once or twice in a round.
There are just a lot of other defenses as well. The main thing is to drill the strikes and counters over and over again. They should become reflexive because you have practiced them over and over. If you have more specific questions, feel free to PM me.
Re: Punching wrong…
You are striking with your lower knuckles. this is common especially for students if they are focusing on keeping their elbows down.
Here is how to fix it.
Put your fist(knuckles) on a wall like you are throwing a normal straight punch Like you are trying to hit it, but don’t! Check the angle that you have and you will see that its most likely your bottom knuckles.
Adjust your fist on the wall so that only the top two knuckles touch the wall and that the second knuckle is straight. Make sure your forearm/wrist is straight.
When you get time shadow box and really work on keeping that straight line. You will correct it in no time, reversing the muscle memory.
Re: Bas workout question
We dont always move forward with our knees. It all depends on the distance of the opponent.
As far as the hook, it will also depend on the distance to the opponent. You made need to add a single step, you may need to burst and you may even need to slide back or to the side. Movement and using the correct strike for the distance is the key.
For us, a hook goes from about a 90 degree bend in your elbow to just before you fully straighten your arm. Most think, its only with a 90 degree bend. We really try and seperate from a straight punch and a hook. We do this to set up our overhands and even our hooks.
If you have more questions PM me or email me and I will elaborate more.
Re: Help! Comando Krav in my Studio!!!
Yep, do your thing. They are not the decision makers and that is whom you need to win over.
Many of those guys get certified to pad their resumes. You want to win the guys over that will actually use the stuff and want it to safe lives.
Kirsten and I ran into this so many times over the years and have won many of them over. It just takes time, but you need to be professional as you can be.
Re: Importance or Lack Thereof of High Kicks
Thanks for throwing me under the bus, CJ. I only threw that 720 to scare the **** out of Bas. He didnt think I still had them tricks in my toolbox.
Out on the street, its best not to throw high kicks or spinning kicks, too many variables and unknowns.
Here is one of my true favorite stories to explain why it’s not good to throw high/fancy kicks in self defense situations.
One of our fellow TKD instructors was in school, some other guys started pushing and bullying him out on the lawns while waiting for a bus. One of them wanted to fight and he was fine with it. A high level competitor, he figured he would throw a spinning hook kick and knock the guy out. He waited for the guy to push him; moved back and planted his feet inorder to throw his kick.
Little bit later he is waking up and pick grass out of his hair. He planted his foot on some dog ****, it caused him to slip, when he spun. Knocking himself out when he hit the ground.
Knowing and being able to throw a high or fancy kick is great, but you never know if dog **** will be around to keep you and your ego in check. It’s just best if you have too, to fight smart and go home safe.
Re: UFC 100 or WWF reloaded
Brock has no style or technique that is part of the problem. Yes he uses his size to advantage and does it very well but he can’t set combinations up, he can’t submit anyone. He added one neck crank into his tool box and if Mir’s coach would have told him to buck and pull the elbow he would have been out. Lesnar’s style is not MMA its just brawling and wrestling.
Its working for him, but he showed his weakness when Mir hit him and he turned away. Right now everyone is having a hard time dealing with his size and wrestling but in time he will cross a MMA fighter someone with skill and a good game plan and they will beat him.
I’m joining with the others in that I will not watch a show with him on it, win or lose. He is just bad for the sport, that so many before him worked hard to get away from; the barbaric image it automatically recieved when started. He moved it right back with one classless act.
Just my two cents!
Re: hey psyops, oneness, kirsten
Sorry it took me a while to post on this, having computer issues.
Everything Kirsten said is spot on for me as well.
I had a wrestling back ground and so learning TKD was difficult and I had to work hard to learn that. I just really didn’t feel comfortable in that system until I was a brown belt, so 2 years. But one day it just clicked. After that I broke someone nose in competition and then I really started putting the pieces together.
All the systems I know seem to come together more everyday. I took some time off Krav Maga to learn Bas Rutten’s MMA system and that really got me rusty on Krav Maga. But in the long run, it really helped me. Both systems really compliment each other and Bas has taken me to a whole new level in teaching, fighting, grappling and understanding things.
Main thing is if something doesn’t come easy to you then do more of it. Slow down and learn to take the extra movements out of the techinque.
For Krav Maga really understand the principles and guidelines and learn to be a problem solver with those. Do not be afraid to try something different, just make sure it fits in KM principles and guidelines.
Last thing to really put things to together, I also try and be the pad holder and demonstration person for everyone. I learn tons from being the attacker and pad holder against Bas Rutten, Darren Levine, Jon Pascal, Kirsten and many other great instructors. I’ve walked a way with bloody noses & lips, bruised scalp, etc., but I loved and learned from every moment.
