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Re: Differences between KM and military/police training
I am a former Krav Maga Instructor and Currently work for a Special Unit for the First Judicial District Court in Philadelphia executing high risk warrants on a daily basis. I also have taken over as the defensive tactics instructor at my unit. The primary differences between law enforcement defensive tactics and Krav Maga’s self defense techniques are the intentions of the individual applying the techniques. What I mean by this is that in law enforcement it is our job to end confilcts and be the ones running into something when everyone else is running away. As a civillian retreating is not only a practical defense it is often times the best defense. As LEO’s we are put in the position of having to neutralize the threat no matter how great. I believe that many techniques taught in Krav Maga can be useful to LEO’s in the course of their jobs if utilized properly. Another factor is that most law enforcement and military acadamys dont spend much time or effort on hand to hand training and often times they are more concerned with liability then the officers safety. In my classes I teach techniques that can be articulated in court (just like the justified use of ones firearm) and I back up everything I teach in litigation if necessary. Ultimately if you are attacked then you are justified in using force to defend yourself its is just a matter of making sure that you dont take it to the extreme and go too far.
Re: Success stories – ever had to use krav?
How you carry yourself absolutely has an impact on potential attackers and their decision process for choosing potential targets. If you would like to learn more read books by Geoff Thompson who is a former bouncer in the UK who writes about situational awareness and target hardening. Making yourself a harder target for a potential attacker is often times half the battle or more right there!
Re: Success stories – ever had to use krav?
I am a former Krav Maga Instructor in Philadelphia PA and I have used Krav Maga countless times in real life encounters to help myself or those around me from avoiding injury or death. I currently work in Law Enforcement where I have rarely had to use any Krav Maga techniques although I have incorporated many into our defensive tactics curriculum since I became my units defensive tactics instructor however prior to my career in Law Enforcement I worked in nightclubs for many years as security and I cant even begin to tell you how many times I have use specific techniques from Krav Maga to defend myself and others. I remember using the 360 defenses on several occasions, one of which where I learned after the attack that my attacker was wielding a knife and had I not used a 360 defense and simply attepted to block his strike I would most likely have been stabbed. I have also unfortunately been put in situations where I have had to use Krav Maga’s gun disarm techniques which I believe to be superior to any other self defense syetem’s i’ve ever seen. They are easy once perfected and come naturally under stress which is one of the most important things to me when learning self defense techniques. In addition to specific techniques I think one of the most important things Krav Maga ever taught me was to have a never quit attitude when it comes to defending against an attack. The mentality that Krav Maga teaches is in my opinion as important if not more important then any specific technique in the system. If anyone out there would like to know more please feel free to contact me at [email protected]. I rarely post on the forum and as I said I am a former instructor. Currently I do not teach civillians as the Philadelphia school has been closed for several years now. Stay safe everyone!
Re: Self defense/use of force taught in Krav
I am a former Krav Maga Instructor as well as a current law enforcement officer. While the laws vary from state to state and all use of force curriculums are subject to interpretation, a good rule of thumb is to counterattack with the minimal amount of force necessary to neutralize the threat. Much of the legal aspect of self defense is how you articulate yourself in court. If you make the judge understand that you were in fear for your life and you used only that amount of force that you deemed necessary at that time to neutralize your attacker your chances of coming out on the right side of the law are greater. Stomping on someone who is already unconscious and no longer a threat to you is a perfect example of excessive force. When I taught classes in Philly I would explain the laws in our area regarding self defense to the best of my ability but at the end of the day it is up to you the invididual being attacked to determine what you believe is necessary to stop the attacker. Again the best rule of thumb to remember is always use the minimal amount of force to neutralize your attacker and you should be fine. My personal opinion is if you didnt want to get hurt you shouldnt have attacked me…haha…stay safe everyone
Re: Is this Krav ?
I personally do not think the technique is bad but i dont care for the terminology. I believe that the word jab leaves something to be desired. To me that sounds like a weak shot or a set up strike which makes students feel that its ok to use it as such when my intentions is to destroy whatever i’m striking. To the best of my knowledge Krav Maga does not use the word jab in its curriculum. I was always taught it is a straight left and a straight right. Krav Maga is big on engaging your hips to allow the strike to have more power, especially with your lead hand thus making the “chin jab” a straight left hand with knockout capability.
Re: Lost my Krav mojo
yes a 360 probably would have been your best bet…..wrist to wrist and a straight right hand to the chin…hopefully the force would create an impact disarm causing him to drop the weapon but if he continued to hold on to the knife you would be forced to decide wether to continue raining blows or to attempt a disarm. My personal take on this is usually to continue to rain blows via combatives and create a impact disarm although situation depending, sometimes the disarm might present itself. I hope I have answered your question but as i said previously the most important thing is you walking away from the situation regardless of which technique you employed.
Re: Bas breaking down Krav gun defenses.
gerry we have met several times i’m not sure that you remember me but tell ernie and the others i said hi.
Re: Lost my Krav mojo
well while your defense might not have been the best one for the suggested attack the bottom line is you walked away unharmed and followed rule number one…..dont get hurt…..its a good rule to live by and if you can follow it than everything else falls into place and wether the technique was correct or not is not so important anymore just the end result..
Re: Bas breaking down Krav gun defenses.
its a long story about why we closed but the long and short of it was the school wasnt making money….anyway…ernie still has two schools..one in kennett square and one in glenn mills. The glenn mills one isnt far from you if your in delaware county because i live there and its about 25 mins from me tops…. the school is beautiful.
Re: Bas breaking down Krav gun defenses.
Yeah we had alot of crazy drills….i never administered the one you are speaking of but ernie is famous for his crazy drills. The Philly school was a great place to train because everyone involved really believed in krav maga and had their own real world experience to add to their instruction. I personally have worked as the security director for numerous Philadelphia nightclubs and now am involved in law enforcement. I was able to teach about situations I had found myself in in real life as opposed to other instructors that speculate what could happen or would happen. I think that brought a certain reality to our training and I modeled many of my drills after my real life encounters. Our students had fun training and learned alot, its ashame we had to close cause I miss teaching.
Re: Gun defense near a gas pump
There have been some interesting answers to this hypothetical question however i think many of you have overlooked the obvious. Who said you had to perform and defense and disarm the attacker….what about giving him what he is asking for. Since he has not yet shot you it is assumed that he wants something from you. What is it? If he wants your wallet…maybe you should give it to him. If he wants you to get in a car and go somewhere with him…forget it its time to take action. Neither I or anyone else can tell you exactly when to react or how to react but it is important to remember that just because someone pulls a gun on you and you are a krav maga student it does not mean you must attepmt a disarm. In addition. If you had to make a move becaue you feel that it is necessary and you are worried about the gas pump being in the way change the situation…move so that you are inviting him to come closer to you and further from the gas pump, or at least not facing the direction of the gas pump. Know what defense you plan to use and set it up taking into consideration your surroundings just like you would if there were someone standing next to you. Just some food for thought….
Re: Bas breaking down Krav gun defenses.
Yes….i was the program director and head instructor in the Philly school for the last year it was open. Ernie was my teacher and I did train with stephen, greta, alethea, david scott and many others…Unfortunately the school closed down but i still train at work with some co workers and try to keep up with everything. I also train jiujitsu on the side and have been doing so since before i started training krav maga
Re: Best way to win a fight..situational awareness
Situational awareness and target hardening go hand in hand. If you are walking down the street with your hood up and your ipod in your ears then you are probably not aware of what is going on around you and thus a soft target for a potential attacker. Walking with your head up being aware of your surroundings and keeping your head on a swivel ( not as if you are paranoid but simply as if you are aware of your surroundings) makes you a harder target and you havent even had to perform any techniques yet. Being aware is so important that when I taught in Philly I would have group discussions about it and devote a great deal of time to teaching people how to be more aware and how to be a harder target for potential attackers. I feel that this is often over looked by instructors and should be given more emphasis during training. Preparing people to fight for their lives is only part of Krav Maga, the other is teaching them ways to decrease their changes of getting in a life threatening situation in the first place. This is my personal feeling and view and a instructor.
Re: Bas breaking down Krav gun defenses.
Thank you for the welcome back. It has been along time as there is no longer a school in philly. Anyway in reference to the technique bas was teaching on you tube, Bas is a great guy and a huge fan of Krav Maga and if you listen to what he said he is basically telling you to go get instruction from someone from Krav Maga World Wide. He knows that he is not completely qualified to teach gun defenses and encourages you to learn them from someone who is. This is not to say he did a poor job of teaching these defenses but simply that he knows where his expertise is and its not in teaching weapons disarms. PS: if you havnt had a change to train with Bas I highly recommend you do. He is extremely talented person and has alot to teach us all.
In reference to the two handed gun from the front disarm…If you do perform that technique then the groin kick would be the simultaneous counter attack, however I would not recomment a headbut as it is too close range of a weapon and you would risk bringing yourself back into the line of fire which is something you never want to do. Once out of the line of fire, never back in again!
