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Re: Colo. KM Winter Camp
Performance under pressure = Krav Maga. This wasn’t the same old – same old static drill that becomes as choreographed as a country line dance. All I know is that I walked away KNOWING that I was able to perform way better than I would have thought when surprised by an attack!
And, btw, I did take the shock knife away, stab the attacker in the neck and then did the same to the guy that followed him with a kick shield… Oops!
Re: Colo. KM Winter Camp
Hey there, Don – for clarification, it wasn’t a stab from behind. The shock knife was energized to give you an audio clue and then brushed across your back to give you physical stimulus. This would make the subject (me!) jump and turn. That’s when the overhead stab attack came.
I felt it was very well designed. I was pissed at myself because I certainly should have known that a KM drill doesn’t end with a survey…
Re: Colo. KM Winter Camp
It’s put on by James Hiromasa, owner of Colorado Krav Maga. They do it in late February / early March. I’ve attended the past two. It’s been a great experience each time. Beyond the amazing Krav Maga training, it’s a great feeling to be surrounded by like-minded people! Please check out James’ web site and e-mail him about attending in 2014. You won’t regret it!
Re: Colo. KM Winter Camp
I attended the Winter Camp and must respectfully disagree with your assessment. The knife attack from the back scenario was amazing. It showed me how easily I can be distracted and forget to evaluate my environment. For those who don’t understand the scenario, it went like this: You are sent into a long, pitch black room with a faint glow of a red chem-lite at the far end of it. You are instructed to get to the chem-lite, as that’s where the exit is, and be prepared for anything that may happen along the way. As I was feeling my way along the left wall, heading for the exit, a guy lit up a shock knife. I backed up and prepared for some kind of crazy attack. It never came. I then made my way to the exit and emerged, unscathed.
As I stepped out into the daylight and waited for my eyes to adjust, one of the instructors was standing by with a clipboard. He began to ask me a series of questions about what I’d just been through. My focus was completely on him. Doom on me – an attacker with a shock knife came up and placed the knife on my back, giving me a zap! I turned and then engaged a full-on knife attack (overhead stab) from an instructor in a padded suit. I have NEVER had a more realistic knife-defense experience. Not even close!
As a police officer, if I get too focused on one thing at a scene, I could end up dead. This scenario was so completely Krav Maga from a variety of standpoints. I learned, under EXTREME stress, that my knife defense, all the way to takeaways, was pretty darned good. I watched a variety of other attendees go through the same scenario and saw a variety of responses. Many men, for example, responded to the edged weapon attack with combatives, failing to control the weapon. Most women controlled the weapon well and kicked to great effect.
It is difficult to come up with situations that will put students into realistic situations where they must react and, thus, default to their level of training. The Krav Maga Winter Camp did exactly that. And, btw, if training with someone like John Whitman isn’t enough for you, then you’ve obviously mastered Krav Maga.
I can’t wait for next year!
Re: ref KM2U Gastonia, NC (Aug 6, 2011)
I’d love to be joining you down there, but that’s the one weekend this summer that I have some non-work plans: taking my daughters to see the Red Sox slay the eeeeeevil Yankees and the next night my wife and I are off to see my favorites, the J. Geils Band, tear it up one last time! But I digress…
We have always stayed at the Marriott Courtyard Gastonia. It’s about five miles from RHEK. There are restaurants right there (CRACKER BARREL!), a pool, a hot tub and a washer / dryer.
I can tell you that training at Ryan’s place is a treat! They have a great facility, and the place is filled with a talented group of instructors. And, last but not least, the people at RHEK, instructors and students, are about the nicest folks in the country!
Yeah, you’ll need a rental car.
Enjoy!
Re: Agressive training partners …
On day 1 of my Phase A training week, an ultra-aggressive training partner elbowed me in the head hard enough to raise a pretty good knot (elbow #1 from a 6-3, 250 lb. musclehead). It pissed me off quite a bit, as he was some sort of hotshot martial artist who paraded around with his black belt and some yard sale samuari sword before stepping on the mats each session. Oh well – just a little Krav love, as we say.
Do I even have to tell you that at some point later that week I lost my control just once and he got his balls good and kicked? Oops, my bad! (Ryan H. – do you remember that?)
Yeah, it’s not right, but the guy had been talked to several times by several different instructors. And no, he did not pass…
As an instructor, I’ll take someone aside and talk to them if they’re being over-aggressive. If they still don’t get it, then I’ll partner with them. It needs to be addressed because the stuff we’re doing can hurt someone pretty quick.
Re: Iki ?
quote unstpabl1:Awesome post Sean and one of the reaasons i respect and like you as much as i do, even though we’ve only met a few times.thumbsupSums up my feelingss but much better written
Agreed. 100%.
“Ask questions, question the answers and understand the WHY” = money.
Re: Iki ?
I took a patrol shift yesterday, figuring it would be a five hour pleasure cruise. Not so much… Two minutes after I left the gates, I’m off to a call of five guys fighting in a parking lot about a quarter mile away from where I was.
Big deal – what’s the link to this thread, you ask. Fair question. Here they are:
1.) All of the five guys went to the ground. That’s because that was where I wanted them to be until backup arrived… And I didn’t put my hands on any of them. Statistically, 100% of the people involved went to the ground. Figures lie…
2.) Only two guys had been fighting. One used a hammer, the other one grabbed a metal pipe. The hammer won. The victim was hit in a manner that would have never happened if he’d ever spent 20 minutes in one of my Krav Maga classes learning how not to get konked with a blunt object.
3.) If I had jumped in and gone to the ground, chances are that I wouldn’t be typing this right now. That’s why Krav Maga stresses staying off the ground, because these days you’re always fighting multiple attackers.
4.) Most of the security videos that I watch that show bar fights never show two guys squaring off like James Braddock and Tuffy Griffiths. It’s usually a sucker punch followed immediately by two or three thugs doing a hat dance on the guy that got knocked to the ground. I guess that’s why we stress the importance of recognizing precursors to a violent encounter and, importantly, getting your butt off the ground…
5.) I’m no black belt, but I can do a pretty good job of teaching someone to defend themselves. In fact, it’s time right now for me to go train a batch of soon-to-be cops. I’ll teach them to win. Sometimes that means hitting first (better be able to explain why you did, of course, but that’s ok). Sometimes that means poking an eye, slapping an ear or kicking some balls. Oh well – we get paid to win. One thing that Krav Maga gets very right is that particular philosophy.
Only winning counts. I don’t care about jump spinning scissor kicks or slap kicks or the rest of the fruity criteria that gets added in to make Krav Maga look more like other martial arts.
Re: Perfect Technique
Nice read, Michael – thanks! My take is that we need to be results-focused. As you mentioned, Krav Maga is about training from disadvantage so that we’re prepared for the worst-case scenario. It’s not always going to be pretty.
Kevin M. talked recently about Krav Maga being a fighting style. Yeah, maybe, whatever. For me, it’s about teaching survival skills. And, as you point out, that ain’t always about style.
Re: KRav is best suited with boxing and MT
I think that you’re kinda / sorta on the right track, as long as you distinguish between the sporting aspects of the other arts and the purely self-defense application of Krav Maga.
You can throw wrestling and groundfighting training (BJJ) into the mix as well. Knowing how to respond in the clinch or on the ground are important skills. Of course in a pure self-defense situation, we can use elbow strikes, head butts, eye pokes, etc. to help us prevail.
My background is boxing. When pressured, I’ll punch. I teach with a guy who is a TKD blackbelt. He will generally kick. Another instructor at our studio is a BJJ brown belt. He’ll want to break your arm or choke you out. We always revert to our favorite techniques.
Almost all training is good training. Best wishes!
Re: Have you used KM in real life
Yes. And it works. The old saying, “You will default to your level of training” is true. We train for stressful situations. Our training helps us prevail in those situations.
Re: looking for youtube video
We played with simunitions to test gun from the front at a LE cert. The rule was that the defender got set in neutural stance. The gunman pulled the trigger the moment that he saw the defender move. Thirty-five shots were fired, 33 successful defenses (in fairness, one guy panicked and shot my buddy Rick prior to a move). No issues with the slide tearing up any hands.
The defense works. End o’ story.
Sad to say, no video… It was a great day of realistic training.
Re: concerns with KM
quote parishd:I never tire of the basics drills. Even after advancing a level, the majority of the classes I attend are for the basics. My goal is to have every technique so completely ingrained that my responses are completely autonomic. It also helps expose me to a larger cross-section of body types, attack mechanics, aggression levels, etc., than I would encounter if I just attended the more advanced classes.Well said!
