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Can you be more specific? Are you asking if anyone thinks KM is more effective than Muay Thai at…… Muay Thai sparring? no. at…. MMA sparring? yes (no ground fighting in MT) at… weapon defenses? yes. at… dealing with \”sucker punches?\” yes. at… taking someone from a low level of proficiency to a high level quickly? yes.
at fighting with no rules on the street? yes.
for those who missed the fight…
http://www.buzzhumor.com/videos/10146/UFC_68_Tim_Sylvia_vs_Randy_Couture
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quote \”Badge54\:ViCious, That reminds me of something I saw the other night. Our instructor was showing one of the students how to use rubber bands to create resistance in kicking. Same can be done for punching. Wrap the band around a kicking bag and punch away from it. Instead of the weight being relative to the floor it is pulling against the movement of the punch.Badge54
Those are great exercises for multiple reasons… besides being lower impact, bands replicate the resistance of a real punch.
When you lift weights the hardest part of the lift is at the beginning of the lift… that’s the inverse of resistance experienced when punching. When you punch most of the work occurs at the point of extension (contact.) Just like when you use a band and it gets harder as you extend the band.
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quote \”chickadee3bee\:it would be interesting if you mentioned something about agressive partners that can’t aim and hurt people. i’m not saying people shouldn’t be agressive, but they also have some control with what they’re doing.
i’ve partnered up with someone who has no control or aim and i’m afraid of her. i’ll get punched in the eye or face and i’ll try to say something, but nothing changes. i try to avoid her, but sometimes i just end up partnered up with her. someone i know quit the class b/c of her. i’ve mentioned it to the teacher. do you think at this point a teacher should say something?yes. the teacher should say something the first time s/he sees it.
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quote \”CLFMak\:In my opinion, good power and impeccable form should be the focus, not speed, especially in the beginning. Also, when you’re good at timing and distancing (developed mainly in sparring) you don’t need to be especially fast. In sparing, grappling etc, its never the really fast ones I find the most difficult. Its the guys that can move slow and relaxed . Its actually more discouraging because you might know what’s coming, but it still gets you.
On the topic of shadowboxing with weights: although there is a perceived quickness of the hands, the weights don’t provide the right resistance. For punching you’d want resistance against the muscles that extend the arm. The weight on the other hand mostly puts resistance towards the floor. Aside from that, I think hand speed is kind of a misnomer. Body speed is a more correct characterization if you’re punching correctly.agreed. Remember physical speed is not as important as reaction \”speed.\”
it’s interesting to see the reaction from students when you tell them that professional mitt holders are paid over $150 an hour….
Jeff that was a well written article.
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quote \”Giantkiller\:Wow, that sounds like pretty cool stuff. I like all of it and maybe we should try some of it. We do the lipstick on the knife thing sometimes and we also have two shocknives now. Yesterday we did a cool drill, we went down to the garage 😀 😀 and had several students hide with knives, then one student walked past the cars and would get attacked by several crazy man/woman at a time with a knife. The attackers were hiding behind pillars and cars and the defender didn’t know what type of knife attack it would be. Two attackers even had the shocknife, which really is pretty scary-looking compared to the rubber knife.I also noticed how suddenly the idea of simply kicking the approaching attacker becomes a much preferable option to doing hand defenses and if he is running fast all you need to do is stick your leg out there and he’ll run right into it.
Those types of drills are great, getting into a realistic environment, not knowing what’s coming, putting in decoys, who just come up and ask for the time etc. Hope we’ll do it again soon.
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GiantkillerI COMPLETELY agree. That type of training is invaluable, and what you guys did sounds awesome.
i’m a huge fan of trying to make knife as realistic as possible. To me it’s probably the most dangerous reality i could face. In fact one of the things that made me fall in love with KM was how similar the knife defenses were to the punch defenses…
Training knife attacks where the attacker has headgear, mouth guard, boxing glove on one hand, and the defender has full fight gear COMPLETELY changes everything.
It helps create the \”even if i F’ up the defense i’m STILL going to punch\” mentality. What’s REALLY great is if you can create an \”exit,\” an area across the room that represents safety if you can reach it.
My issue is that no matter HOW real you try to make the training it will always be very different than real life. And that music that gets your heart racing actually makes the training feel MORE like real life than without.
When i was snuck (hit with a sucker punch), i thought my heart was going to burst out of my chest and i was going to throw up… at the same time. It WAS a complete surprise, and my body dropped a lot of adrenaline that COULD have shut me down. BUT since i was used to feeling like my heart was going to explode (to a degree) i used that feeling constructively (to break my hand on his face).
To me it sounds like youíre saying that if you train with music you’ll become depend on music to function in a self defense situation. I’M saying that music can be used to make training more realistic. AND no matter what, when attacked you won’t notice if music is playing or not because the stimuli of REALLY being attacked will be all you need if you train HARD. AND music can be a factor to help you train hard.
I can’t see someone punching you in the face, and you going, \”man i wish some metallica was playing…\” i CAN see you getting punched in the face, and you going, \”BAM, SMASH, ZAP! \”(Sorry, old batman is on TV right now 🙂 ) Then going, \”what just happened?\” BECAUSE violence happens sooo fast that conscious thought is reserved for after the fact…
and the adrenaline from a real attack does more than replace \”music.\”
just my opinion.
It totally makes sense that the book would only go up to brown.
That’s a lot of material to cover in detail anyways.
I personally can’t wait. 🙂
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quote \”somersetkravmaga\:Hello.I think the differences are largely organisational. The IKMF meets student needs as they see them.
What attracted me to the IKMF was that they had a really simple, down to earth approach. You can question anything and there is a simple soloution. The systems is not perfect, but it is simple reliable and logical.
I think the reliable, robust nature of krav maga is its strength and this strength is based on principle rather than technique.
For what its worth, I think this will be the downfall of the so called elite systems emerging from Israel. I honestly feel krav maga is the original amd the best.
Eric… see what i mean? i think it is VERY cool that somerset had such a positive experience with the IKMF.
BUT i can honestly say the EXACT same thing about the KMAA. I WAS attracted to the KMAA by their simple, down to earth approach.
i LOVED that i was ENCOURAGED to question everything. I think somerset probably had an extremely similar experience to mine. The ONLY difference being that mine was with the KMAA, and his with the IKMF.
That and that the KMAA didn’t eat my children 😯
i heard the IKMF eats your children 😯
on a serious note you will find more similarities than differences. The differences expressed will be based upon an individual’s experiences.
the fact that both sides can be told here is very cool.
