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Re: Training Under Stress
quote TigerUpperCut:Did you attend a seminar using the suit or did your school purchase this. I have been looking for where to get some sort of suit like this to allow students to unleash on a target.I attended 2 seminars hosted by Bill Kipp (one in the UK, the other in Colorado) – he does the training for the Bulletmen suits (I hear it’s pretty expensive, but that’s mostly the cost of the suit because it is individually fitted). The first seminar was on verbal skills and stand-up defenses (did 2 scenarios verbally, 2 with the bulletman suit), and the second was on weapons defenses (did one against a knife, one against a gun, both with the instructor in the suit).
Although he trains instructors in his own FAST Defense and FAST Combatives systems -I know a number of schools who had integrated Bulletman suits into their own training programs, which he seems to be cool with, as long as it’s appropriate (he once heard of an instructor who was wearing the suit while beating up his students in “scenarios” because he refused to react appropriately to taking multiple hits!!)
From what I understand, the Bulletman suit offers a large amount of protection for the head area (with webbed eyeslits so the students can apply eye pokes/gouges etc), and for the groin (so they can make full powered strikes there with knees etc).
I think I posted a review of my first FAST seminar here a couple of years ago (I went to it in 2007) – should be able to find it with the search.
Re: Training Under Stress
The best Stress training I got was through using Bulletman suits (from Bill Kipp’s FAST Defense system) – that way the defender was able to go all out with full powered strikes to the attacker without fear of injuring them in the training. Verbal aggression was also added in to really simulate the fear and stress of a real life attack.
Re: Training differences
Understood – I think what I was more suggesting was not weapon retention techniques when you actually have one out and in your hands (as was previously mentioned – in a civilian situation it’s purely defensive), but more for ensuring if we have to go hands-on to restrain someone, preventing them from grabbing a gun/taser on our duty belts. I had one drunk patient attempt to do that to me in my current unarmed position – all he managed to get a hold of was my glove pouch!
Re: Training differences
Brent – would you consider providing Force Training Division Classes to the Private Security Sector? I ask because I am applying for a transfer with my current employer to a Hospital Security position in Denver, Colorado area – which will most likely involve carrying a Taser, Firearm, or both. I am unsure of the level of retention training they will provide, but as I will also be going in at a Supervisory/Management level, I plan on addressing any deficiencies in training standards.
This type of training would be highly useful, as Hospital Security is a very much “hands-on” assignment – at my current facility we’re unarmed (apart from handcuffs/radio), so when we have to restrain violent patients/visitors, we don’t have to worry about any weapon retention, whereas at an armed facility, this would be whole different ball-game.
Feel free to email/PM me if you’d prefer to discuss this off the boards.
Re: A little help in Colorado if you would…
James – not a problem at all to help you folks out! I only had the privilege of attending one training class at your school back in 2006, but was very impressed with it, and hope to start going on a regular basis if I manage to move to the Denver area in the near future!
Best of luck with the vote!
Re: Taken
I actually rented this movie from Redbox the other day…after reading this thread! Very much enjoyed it and definately recommend it as a good solid action movie.
The H2H scenes are very “Krav-like”, particularly a knife disarm which happens early on in the movie, and overall I liked the movie’s intense theme and fight/shooting/chase sequences.
Re: Why Krav?
I heard about KM while researching Self-Defense in 2003. I was going to College in London and being a “small town country boy” wanted to learn something to use to defend myself. I was also bullied a LOT at school and never fought back because I was always told it would “make things worse”.
3 years of KM in London, supplemented by a few FAST Defense courses…I now work as a Hospital Security Supervisor in Colorado – and have used the techniques I’ve learnt in many, many violent encounters here. My confidence has grown immensely and I can definitively say that I would have had a hard time working in this field without the KM/FAST training!
Re: The Gift of Fear
I haven’t read any of the aforementioned books, but I have read “Watch my Back” – an account of his years as a bouncer in some of the most violent clubs/pubs in England. Although it’s most a biography – it does touch on his development of Reality Combat skills and dealing with adrenaline situations, so I highly recommend that one too!
Re: KM in Alaska?
Heh, California is VERY tempting due to the training options, but the wifey & I are really keen to seen new places on the taxpayers $ 😉 It may be an option down the road though 😀
Re: Getting trained in KM whilst in the military
I’d love to get trained as an instructor for LEO/military, but I’m not sure if I have the level of experience required for that. In terms of MOS, I’m going in undesignated (as a non-rate) so I can get my US Citizenship before picking one. I’m trying to decide between something more “Hands-on”, being part of a Marine Security team, or more behind the scenes in Intel etc. It’ll be easier to be an instructor if I’m more on the sharp end, like a Boarding Team, but I’ll see what the options are once I’m in.
Just got back from MEPS today btw – tired as hell from only 1 hour of sleep and getting poked and prodded in all orifices, and of course doing the infamous duck walk, but happy to have gotten through it!
Jeremy – I’m having to get used to the differences between Brit and US lingo…I’ve already confused the hell out of most of the recruiters I’ve spoken to!
Re: KM in Alaska?
Unfort Hawaii would have been our first choice, but that and Florida are the only two places they can’t guarantee, because they’re so popular! We hope to transfer there after we finish out our first posting (which only lasts up to a year anyway), or later in my career.
At the FAST Defense course I did, we were encouraged to use our voices aggressively when it came to a physical confrontation (obviously when doing the pre-fight training, the aim was to walk the line between being aggressive and passive – i.e. assertive). The suggestions were to use a simple word or two like \”NO!\” or \”BACK OFF!\”, and repeat that whilst delivering strikes etc – it was surprising how much extra power it seemed to generate, as well as helping to break the \”freeze\” syndrome and power us into action. Also, we were told that if it came to a real physical confrontation on the street, it would look better to witnesses if we were shouting that kind of stuff as it implies we’re the defender rather than aggressor! 😉
My wife & I got a Male Shih Tzu back in March 06 – called him Chompers! He still nibbles on things, but isn’t nearly as bad as when we first got him as a puppy.
He’s grown a LOT since we first got him too – I think he was about 8 lbs, now he’s about 15-20. Although we were told he’s a pure-bred, he does seem pretty big for a shih tzu so we were probably lied to at the shop 🙄
Jonathan – no preparation is really necessary, but I’d suggest watching some of the videos available on youtube to get an idea of what it’s like – in particular there are these two from the session I was at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6TcFV-Ru7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sznNjNq5a7E
Those two are both Lee Morrison, the ex-doorman/bodyguard who teaches Self Defense in Southampton, England – I put both there as the first shows his groundfighting a bit better, and the second one you get to see his brutal headbutt 😉
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1b7MjgfSR4&mode=related&search=
That one is the \”old guy\” who was pretty awesome.
There’s a whole bunch more up there – just look up \”FAST Defense\” and you should be able to see a variety of clips, including some weapon drills, verbal desecalation etc.
Also if you go to http://www.fastdefense.com and http://www.fastdefence.com then there’s a bunch more clips there too.
I’d just say if anything, practice doing explosive knee/palm strikes, and using The Fence against an imaginary opponent – despite doing that though, I still found it incredibly intense when I was actually there!
Best of luck and hope you really enjoy it! If any clips go up of me or my wife, I’ll be sure to let you guys know 😉
Okay, well my wife&I got back from the FAST Defense seminar just a couple of hours ago and we both had an awesome time! All the instructors were great, but special Kudos to Bill Kipp as he is a great inspiration.
I’d say that it was about 50/50 between learning the verbal descalation and the physical aspects – suffice to say that despite having seen some of the scenario videos before going, it was still v tough actually being on the spot and experiencing the situation! Learning to deal with the adrenaline dump was a big thing for both of us, and there was great support from all the other people there.
Fighting the Bulletmen was another whole new experience, as it really showed how much principles matter over technique, and how messy a \”real\” fight can be. They were also doing multiple assailent drills for the more advanced students, which was great to witness (especially seeing Lee Morrison, an ex-doorman and experienced fighter, take on no less than 4 at once! That guy has some serious explosive power!). I was also impressed in particular by a couple of the other students, one of whom came in a business suit, and handled the attacks extremely well, and another guy who I think was in his 60s or 70s, but definately put us young-uns to shame with his aggression and power when the bulletmen came calling!
Overall, both my wife and I were very, very impressed with the experience and would thoroughly recommend it to anyone. I’d say that everyone stands to gain something regardless of their experience in other martial arts, and everyone there definately went away having learnt a lot more about their capabilities and weaknesses under pressure. Another great thing was that all the scenarios were videotaped, and we got to watch the playback at the end (and buy a copy on DVD), to see how it all went down, and for future reference – when our copy arrives I may see about putting up my scenarios for a bit of show n tell! 😉
Finally, it definately did my wife a world of good (and made me so damn proud) when one of the instructors came over afterwards to personally congratulate her on an excellent defense (he was her attacker in the suit) 😀 !
I think that this system is a great addition to Krav Maga, and I plan to continue my training in both when I get back to Colorado in a few months.
