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Re: tactical distance question! Come on in…
quote Don:Do you think you can get to his wrist before he gets his hand out of his pocket?Hi Don, been a while.
I think the simple answer is yes with a disclaimer. In a controlled training environment where I know what the attack is going to be where its coming from and Iím drilling it you bet I think I can control the arm.
However I donít think thatís the issue, I think the issue is me. When I donít know whats coming, say we are in a conversation even when its heated if his hands are at his sides or even if one is gesturing and his side hand quietly floats behind him should I react? Well the logical answer is yes BUT do I?
Iíve been doing this a fairly long time and to be honest its my threat assessment gauge that needs work. I react when I see a threat not when I perceive a threat. Iím not saying thatís right actually I know its not however like I shared Iím being honest and admitting I may not do anything until I see a weapon.
Is a hand behind the back an immediate danger? Logically, yes, in practice, hmmm
Re: KMOR Fighter Wins Pro Debut
Hi Kirsten
Congratulations to yours and Onenessís fighters. Iíve had the pleasure of training with Oneness at a seminar he was conducting and I can certainly see why they are so successful compared to other teams who seem to dabble in MMA training as an offshoot of whatever their traditional martial arts core business is.
Would you mind taking the time to explain a little more about how your fighters training differs or is that a trade secret? LOL
I ask because it seems that because MMA is ìmixed martial artsî people seem to train all over the place with different combinations of disciplinesí but Im curious what your take would be as a well rounded fighter? It seems like cross training one day in BJJ and the next in Muay Thai would be over simplifying things.
Thanks for taking your time to educate this old soldier.
Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik
quote sonnenfeld:Benelli,How good he is? I dont care, and judge the masters also by their acts, not only by the techniques. Sorry.
As a point of clarification I have no idea how good he is. My personal knowledge is of training with CKM and Moni specifically.
Aviís instruction and his system is a topic I have no basis to comment on.
Iím simply voicing my personal opinion that I donít feel dragging him into this conversation was relevant.
Furthermore I have no affiliation with him in any way, shape or form. My motivation for commenting was to realign the posts back on topic.
Thank you.
Re: Commando Krav Maga / CKM / Moni Aizik
To echo what Simon just said it is starting to seem a little like a witch hunt.
I too have heard nothing but good things about Avi Nardia. Iíve been on this forum a long time and never once heard him say anything negative about KMWW or Darren.
I agree we should leave him out of this discussion.
Re: Anyone been in a real fight? Just curious…
I think I can honestly say I have avoided more confrontations because I am situational more aware of what’s going on around me.
Added to that since I’ve been doing KM for a few years now I feel very confident I can take care of myself and because of that really don’t feel threatened like I used to.
In short my self esteem in the ability to protect myself and loved ones has allowed me to walk away.
Re: I have a shotgun question, need expert opinions
Nothing more comforting then a well armed spouse, especially one with good taste in firearms
Re: CKM / Moni
quote abselite:I believe by seeing and experiencing. I love facts.LOL as soon as you find some let us know until then itís just hyperbole on his part versus the word of many of us who have been direct students, instructors and affiliate school owners of Moni and CKM.
Re: I have a shotgun question, need expert opinions
Very nice piece indeed.
Rather then expounding of the benefits of one vrs the other my suggestion would be to discuss it with Mr. Stafford as I have read several of his weapon related posts and have no doubt he is extremely knowledgeable on the subject. I seem to remember him saying he was a range master at some point so it seems as his student you are in good hands.
Good luck with your purchase~
Re: Reality of "Live Energy"
Did you happen to catch unstopable1’s comment on the L3 class he watched? I know his review was more of the fight class he took but he also mentioned the intensity of the multiple attacker scenario drills. Maybe he can expand on his thoughts of their realism.
Re: Reality of "Live Energy"
To echo what Mr Stafford said, I think its really dependant on your level of training and the intensity of which the material is presented.
I think it’s only going to be as realistic as the scenario that you’re given.
If a groin shot (or several) are not working somehow then either your training partner isn’t being cooperative or you need to actually strike them into pain compliance.
Now out of common courtesy and safety in training we purposely do not take things to the level that it sometimes requires making our training partner do a realistic response. Its not as if I give a groin kick or knee it doesn’t work and can go to the eyes.
So far I have yet to see anything in the system up to level 5 that a 120lb woman can’t do effectively against a man. I’ve trained in NY with the pretty blonde in the above banner picture and she’s tiny.
Re: how I ended up in KMSO’s Fight intro
Now it seems it’s my turn to clarify
First, I was stating that based on your comments I am led to believe that the instructor gets it. The class focus is on taking the fight to your attacker and doing as much damage as possible. Rather then sitting back in a defensive posture waiting to be attacked
I was also attempting to draw a picture that in my experience that part of the curriculum had been absent in the schools I had been at. The ground fighting was no gee BJJ and the stand up more “sport” orientated and less combat.
So to summarize and reiterate my point it does seem like the fight program at KMSO is designed to teach students how to handle a confrontation where both party’s are aware they are in a fight about to do mutual combat.
To quote CJ’s dad, “Train Hard, Go Home Safe”
Re: how I ended up in KMSO’s Fight intro
Thanks for the clarification and sorry if I seemed invasive with my questions. Its just that having originally been in KMWW and then regrettably moving to train with Moni in CKM I have come to see what I consider a flaw in training both systems. (well several in CKM but thatís a different post)
With the recent trend of MMA ìfightî classes were really seeming more Muay Thai style ish not necessarily for the ring but a lot of emphasis was on teaching people how to spar better. Which is fun I admit but not really street confrontation orientated.
It seemed to me that Kav Maga does great at ìaddressing the immediate dangerî from a self defense perspective but NOT from a stand up fight one. Its not like a guy pushís you and you can say back to him ìhey choke me here I know a great defenseî
So schools try and augment their curriculum by adding BJJ for the ground piece and a Muay Thai or Shootfight/MMA for stand up. But neither is really principle driven so its not really Krav Maga stand up fighting.
Iíve looked on the KMSO website and they had listed ìThai Padî class and ìMMA Conditioningî so the logical thought would be their fight program might have fallen into that same trap.
In a street confrontation Iím not sure I want to train to do a double leg takedown and then scramble for position to ground pound.
When I read your initial posts and the subsequent following ones I thought hmm maybe someone gets it?
Thanks again for getting into it a little more.
Re: how I ended up in KMSO’s Fight intro
Thanks for the review of the class sounds great.
Couple of questions;
Since it’s intro to fight, did he cover mostly the basics punching/kicking like Krav combatants?
Was the focus on sparring techniques? Or more street fighting type?
Do they cover situational awareness? I’ve seen in CJ’s Dads posts he says that a lot and also talks a lot about variables. Just wondering if he does scenarios or practical application?
Can you explain more about why “it’s the best class you have ever taken” what made it different from all the other styles I’ve seen you talk about? The material he covered or the way he taught it? I’ve seen you say that a class is only as good as it’s instructor so I’m trying to figure out if its more just because of CJ’s dad’s style as an instructor or because of the curriculum.
Last question, I know you don’t train in Krav but I also know you are familiar with Imi’s principles, did the fight class stress principles based on Krav or was it more MT/KB for the street?
Re: The age old debate
I got this in a newsletter today somehow I read this thread and it seemed applicable.
Written by Range Master Gabe Suarez
THE SWIMMING MASTER….AND FORE ON FORCE
Imagine for a moment if you will, a class of students attentively studying the art of swimming. The instructor, ostensibly an expert swimmer with vast and honorable credentials, certified by the international swimming associations and such, calmly walks up to the class wearing an impeccable gray business suit and begins lecturing on swimming. The environment is totally business-like, clinical, comfortable and of course, dry. the students are clothed in similar business attire to the instructor, doing their very best to emulate him, no….worship him, and notes are being taken as they sip water or coffee.
The renowned lecturer, perhaps an actual master swimmer in the water, goes on to describe the need to float, and to move the arms and legs in unison, this way and that. He discusses in passing how to breathe and what water temperature may do to the technique. He discusses warm water and cold water swimming methods, and he shows films of swimmers, and analyzes their techniques.
Finally, after discussion groups and several written tests, the class understands the concept of swimming.
Then they retire to their respective swim couches and practice their strokes carefully and incessantly. After a while they very good at this and can whip out a back stroke or breast stroke or even a dog paddle like the expert in class. They are given Swimmer Diplomas and sent out ready to swim, or teach others how to swim….should the need arise. In their hearts, they love the Master Swimmer like a father and they deify every word that comes from his mouth.
Eventually these would-be swimmers begin discussing the merits of pumping the arms more than the feet, or of holding the breath or the theoretical need to get the head up out of the place the water would be, if in fact they were actually swimming in water, in order to breathe. Minutia upon minutia are analyzed and discussed to perfect “the couch swim”.
But the problem is that nobody ever gets into the water. You see, the water is a fearful place. One actually gets wet. “There be dragons” seems to be the attitude. “The water is not safe”, some say. Others say that the mere suggestion that one would have to test the Master Swimmer’s Theory Of Swimming, by actually swimming, to be a disloyal and unfaithful act.
ìAnalytical swimmers do not need to get into the waterî, others murmur like a mindless prayer, as they grind through their swim kata every day.
The discussions on minutia and the unanswered questions persist. Yet if one of them dared to wander into the murky wetness, all the questions that they have spent hours and hours bemusing would be answered in one instant flash of sudden understanding.
I’ll let you in on a secret. It is a dark and ugly secret that has been kept hidden like a national security issue for decades.
Most master swimmers do not, in fact, know how to swim.
They can teach you the technique for making swimming motions on a safe couch, but they know nothing of the water. The couch swim doesn’t work in a pool, much less in the ocean. Their students would drown.
That is a fact they would kill to keep hidden, because they have invested so much in their teaching methods and technical presentations.
Quite an illustration isn’t it? Much the same can be said for many other things in life from driving, to mating, to actually having to make a living in the ìcold cruel worldî. One of them is Gun Fighting.
I get students from range-based schools, and their proponents all the time. These guys and gals have been drilled into the indoctrination of how to stand perfectly, how to draw correctly, and of course, how to carefully use the sights to precisely fire a surgically placed pair into a piece of paper.
They have spent their training time perfecting their stance, or focusing more on their front sight, or reacting to the first tone of the whistle or tone. Slight changes in holsters, or triggers, or grips, or other incomprehensible irrelevancies filled their study time.
These things do not last more than the first few minutes of one of our force on force classes. In the first hour, we toss out years of training right out the proverbial window. Is it any wonder the swimming master gun instructors would like all of this to go away? Yet, some of our heresy and blasphemies have spread through the cracks into other otherís curricula. Formerly square-range based, they hesitatingly want to put a toe into the water without getting their carefully pressed Royal Robbins tuxedo wet. You see, it is impossible to hide the truth in the age of the internet.
I have seen them come and draw and fire, then and only then taking a quick single side step so as to give passing lip service to getting off the line of fire, getting off the ìXî, without altering their precise sight picture and carefully developed stable platform.
The open mouth and furrowed brow that results from their failure in force on force is almost uniform.
If only people would simply get into the water…into the Force on Force crucible, all things would be known immediately like the dripping swimmer who has just completed his first pool workout.
In a handful of chaotic and often intense seconds, the force on force student knows more about gunfighting than the untested range instructor who has been shooting groups all his life. And in that sudden fearful realization of what combat is really all about, and in how easy it is to still get killed in spite of all your marksmanship skills, your view on things and your focus in training will change. Things will never be the same again.
Stop being the theoretical dry couch swimmer and jump into the freaking pool. Heck, just think of all the time and money that will be saved once you have the “secret” knowledge that so many are trying to keep from you. Put down your range bag, grab an Airsoft pistol and a training partner and step into the light.
