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Re: Systema Russian Self Defense?
I have done a little training in Systema and I like it. I see some real advantages to it, but also see some disadvantages.
Systema can be very effective for someone who can spend the time, and I mean alot of it, training and practicing. I know that this is key with mastering anything but it is especially so with Systema. You must learn to relax your entire body completely and all the time while constantly moving. As we all know, both of these are very difficult under stress and takes hundreds of hours of practice to do so.
Some friends of mine in another part of the country that I have a great deal of respect for have trained extensively in Systema with Vladimir Vasiliev and his group out of Toronto. They swear by him and what his group teaches.
I concur with a previous post that mentions Oleg Taktarov. He’s a proven warrior. If I remember correctly, Fedor Emilienko trained primarily in Systema prior to his mma career. Their abilty to dish out and absorb punishment is legendary and this is a hallmark of Systema. I know that being succesful in mma has many components but their roots in Systema speaks volumes to me.
Like Krav Maga, Systema has been proven and refined on many battlefields.Re: Front break falls
Kirsten,
Thanks for your response.I understand about keeping hips square to avoid the takdown but, in this case, one student got the side/back of the other student and executed a front trip. Also, the student getting tripped had one arm pinned by the other so as she was going to the ground she could only use one arm as part of the breakfall. Little mma gloves, etc. made no difference to the breakfall, but we have found through experimentation that arm position does make a huge difference. This is why I now teach the front breakfall with the arm position that I described in my previous post.
Within the past year, I have seen this very thing happen at least twice in mma events, both of which I believe were UFC/WEC. In both cases, however, rather than executing the front trip, the person who had the back and the other’s arm trapped lifted their opponent off the ground and slammed them sideways. In one of the fights, the person who was slammed landed at least partially on his head and never fully recovered during the fight.
Re: Uses for 360 / inside defense
Ryan,
I didn’t take your post as being too blunt. Your insight and expertise is always welcomed and appreciated.I didn’t really look at it from a nuetral stance and can definitely see where you are coming from in that regard.
During my own experimentation, I have found that outside defense #5, as shown on page #55 of the CKM book has become a favorite of mine. This particularly true when I know it’s a knife defense and or the person is at least 2″ shorter than me. I actually dicovered this one works better for me than #4 shown on page #54 of the CKM book during a knife seminar taught by John Whitman.
I also applied this during a the knife defense portion of a LE-only DT seminar taught by a local PD. My main partner was 3-4″ shorter than me and #5 worked most of the time when the outside defense was appropriate and #4 worked a lot less. But this is only for me and others may find that #4 is better for them.
The main reason I think it works better for me is that I have fairly muscular arms and large lats, which makes it harder for me to hold #4 tight with my forearm bladed out and do it quickly.
Re: Uses for 360 / inside defense
I train with mma guys as well and we use both inside and 360 defenses. We’ve found these work well with the small gloves, especially since using your gloves as catchers mitts, like we do with conventional boxing and k-boxing/MT, is not always a very good option.
This is especially true if you want to immediately counter-attack.One of the strengths of the Krav Maga system, IMHO, is it’s ability to translate a lot of what we do striking wise to the street and to mma. And, these defenses with immediate or simultaneous counter-attacks are a perfect example.
Many years ago I used to train in Bando and we had the principles of trace or trailer punches off of hard blocks. While I liked these techniques, I find the way Krav Maga does it works better for me and allows more poweful counter-attacks while my opponent is most vulnerable.
The primary DT instructor at my PD is a fellow Krav Maga practitioner and is an asst KM instructor. He has also completed some LE-only KM training. Over the last 3 years he has added both defenses to our DT training and I’ve noticed that our officers have picked it up fairly well and seem to like them, both of which translates that they will actually use them.
Re: weight training
I posted a workout that I do on a regular basis in the LE section. It combines weights, running, and bag work. In less thatn 40 minutes, you get a great workout.
Another strength training one I do is called 5×5’s. I pick 2 excercises and use enough weight that I struggle,but still use good form, to complete 5 reps for 5 sets and take one minute rest between each set. I also complete the 5×5 for one exercise before going to the next exercise and I try to cover upper and lower body during each session.
Example:deadlifts, followed by dumbell bench press on a stability ball….the other one I do is dumbell hammer curl/squat thruster combo followed by heavy bench or jungle gym/rings pull-ups.
With warm-up, this takes less than 30 minutes and you know you’ve had a good workout.
Hope this helps.Re: Edged Weapons
It doesn’t talk too much about targeting but it does talk about setting up a cardboard targeting system so you can test if a knife will really hold up to the hard striking/cutting of a knife engagement. That is the part that I got the most out of.
I don’t have a scanner so I am unable to scan and send it to you. Used to have one but its d.r.t. now and I haven’t replaced it.Re: Edged Weapons
The newest issue of S.W.A.T. magazine has an interesting article on knife fighting while actually using a knife instead of empty-hand vs knife.
The name of the article is D.I.Y. Knife Training and actually has some pretty good tips. I am curious if anyone else has seen tthis article, and if so, what do you think?Re: Edged Weapons
I’m not particularly impressed with this presentation. I see too many flaws in his thought process about how someone will actually attack you with a knife.
This instructor seems to be following the Filipino knife fighting curriculum. They are great knife fighters but it seems to me, and this is just my opinion, that most Filipino knife stuff seems to be based on the premise that you realize and accept that you are in a knife fight.
On duty, in the past 3 years there has been three stabbings in my patrol area and I was primary responder on 2 of them. What was common on all three was that they “victim” didn;t realize it was a knife fight. In only one case did the victim actually see the knife at the last second and got his forearm up similiar to a Krav Maga 360 defense. The knife was deeply imbeded in his forearm when I arrived.
In another case, a smaller male was being out-boxed by a much larger male. The smaller one suddenly struck the larger in the face with what witnessed described as similiar to our hammer fist. The knife went into the victims face up to the hilt, through his upper lip, just below the nose. The tip of the knife stopped about 1 inch away from the brain.
It is cases like these that I see the real logic of the knife defenses Krav Maga uses since they will work against a punch or a knife. And should someone use what others have described as the sewing machine type assaults, similiar to what you see in prisons, then getting your arm between you and them while counter-punching, IMHO, is your best bet. If someone is grabbing you and trying to stab you as hard and as fast as they possibly can, you probably will not be able to disengage and/or go to a higher level of force. Nothing drives me crazier than seeing video after video of officers trying to get something off their bat-belt while the bad guy is wearing them out. It’s a fight…so fight!!
One of out training officers, who is also a Krav Maga student, recently attended a South Narc knife defense seminar and had nothing but praise for it. Is anyone else here familiar with it?
I have been making it a point to study more knife stuff because I’m finding more and more of them on the bad guys/girls, especially those with mental illness.
Here in Ohio, at the Ohio Peace Officers Training Academy, they have a program called S.L.A.S.H.E.S. that was developed by Shawn Chitwood. I have trained with Shawn in the past and all of his stuff is pretty good. I own the SLASHES DVD and I like alot of what i see on it.
Ryan,
Thanks for your reply.
Is this something that is being looked into? If LE certification applied to teaching civilian classes then I could kill 2 birds with one stone, so to speak.
Also, as I progressed with the LE certification there would be the possibility of my department paying for at least part of it as I do more DT instructing for them.
Yes, I did get your email and I plan on replying to it today. Thank you for your input with that also.When I originally posted this, I posted it in the LE/Military portion of the forum. I was asking if other LE/Military trainers have experienced the same reluctance in the LE community to the 1 hand grabs that I have experienced.
Many of your posts have given me some great ideas in order to \”tweek\” my technique but with me you are preaching to the choir when it comes to the distinct advantage of the 1 hand gun defenses. I have preferred the 1 hand defense since I 1st learned it. I have also found through training with a variety of basic and advance LE h2h programs that Krav seems to be the only one that advocates the 1 hand defense. Even in the basic police academies they teach 3 basic gun defenses and these use 2 hands.
However, my questions still have not been answered.
I know that there are several real good LE/Military trainers on this forum so I am soliciting their input as to working through this reluctance and whether or not they have experienced the same thing.Wes Sims trains here in central Ohio. He should be banned from just about every major mma organization due to his dirty tactics and unsportsman-like conduct. I watched him cheap shot Daniel Gracie here at the Gracie Fighting Championships that took place during the Arnold Classic. Daniel replied with one cheap shot of his own and Wes laid in the corner and cried. He had to be carried out on a stretcher. 2-3 months later they fought again. Daniel got Wes’ back with a RNC and Wes, who’s 6-9, tried another dirty tactic by trying to launch himself out of the ring with Daniel on his back. It didn’t work and Wes lost again. I’m sure that Bas will have no issues with Wes.
Matt Hughes is one of the most focussed fighters I’ve seen since Royce Gracie’s time in the spotlight.
Matt does have alot of different ways to win a fight but remember that Royce is the consumate student. He has been working very hard on his stand-up Muay Thai skills for several years now. If Royce’s game hasn’t improved in many ways, I don’t believe that he would take such a dangerous fight.
Also, this fight is at 185, not 170. While Matt should be even stronger, this is Royce’s normal weight.
I am curious, since this is a non-title match due to the increased weight limit, is this 3 or 5 rounds?
I am not suprised Matt took this fight. He is a warrior’s warrior. I have the utmost respect for both fighters and what they have done for this sport.
I won’t even try to guess the outcome of this. I just know that I have taken the night off for the fight so I can see it. I haven’t been this excited about a UFC match-up in a long time.I have four of the videos in VHS and I love them. I find that if I am having trouble with a technique or want to hear it in from a different perspective, the tapes can be a good medium. Also, especially with the gun and knife videos, if I haven’t done them in a while, they help me to freshen my memory. If I didn’t have an instructor I would find a buddy to train with and practice the techniques. But, they definitely will not replace a competant instructor. Good luck.
jayc…Even though I respectfully disagreed with posting you didn’t have to delete it. I respect your right to disagree with me and I enjoy seeing what other people write. However I was going to ask that if you wanted to have a political discussion that we could find another forum to do it on.
I see a wide variety of opinions and thought processes on many of the posts submitted here. If one is open to learning new things and challenging themselves in their thought and training process then we all become better at all that we are trying to achieve.
To Ryan’s last post…I believe that being proactive is the only way to limit our casualties and to keep ourselves strong and diligent. We can do this by learning the things that the Israelis and others have learned the hard way. We must start implementing these lessons and stop the terrorists before they strike. We have soldiers with \”boots-on-the-ground\” in many nations to root out the terrorists in their strongholds. We cannot ever let them get to their pre-9/11 strength again.
jayc……it’s obvious from your statements you made what side of the political spectrum you come from. All of the do-gooder stuff is nice and in isolated incidents it will work. But for the people who have evil entrenched in their hearts we will never do anything right, period! It does not matter who is president or what political party is in power. The Clinton Admin. bent over backwards to appease these people who have nothing but pure hatred in their heats for us. What we got in turn was the bombing of our embassies in Africa, Khobar towers bombing, The USS Cole attack, etc. The hate these people have is primarily because of the freedoms that US citizens have and due to their culture restrictions that they hate us. It’s not a fault of ours that we have been prosperous and we need to make no apologies for it yet this is exactly why we are hated. But let their be some kind of disaster, earthquake, tsunami or an invasion by an evil dictator and they all look our way for help and we have responded with generosity.
The \”wag the Dog\” theory doesn’t wash. It’s a copout for people to have a reason to hate Bush, be anti-war, etc. without looking at the cold, hard facts. The facts are that as far back as the mid-1990’s it was known on the world scale that Sadaam continued working on a WMD program and was sponsoring terrorism. He had no less than 10 UN resolutions against for such activicties along with his continued human rights violations. In 1997 or 1998, I can’t remember which, the Senate Armed Services committee of which Kennedy, Levin and Kerry were a part of urged then president Clinton to use pre-emptive strikes against Sadaam due to his continuous WMD program. A copy of this letter can be found in several places on the net and it was brought up during the last Pres. election and was never refuted by the DNC.
You bring up the hurricane victims and the tradgedy they have suffered. They haven’t been forgotten about and they continue to be helped. But saying that President Bush cares less about them than anything else shows your complete bias and hatred towards him rather than looking at the situation as a whole. You blaming him is like others blaming President Clinton when almost 800 people, mostly poor and elderly, died during the Chicago heat wave in 1995. As powerfull as the US govt. is, are still limited on a what they can do on an individual basis. They can throw money at a problem but the layers of bureacracy that have been in place for years and it takes time for that money to filter down. If you are waiting for the federal arm of our govt. to be able to respond to all of the needs of everyone in a crisis then you are not living in reality.
In every war but two that we have won, the exceptions being the American Revolution and the War of 1812, we have won them by going into where our enemies live and breath and crushing their will to fight. We were winning the Vietnam war through 1970 until we were told we couldn’t bomb the north using B-52’s and the large battleships. I remember reading in a school history book that the politicians put a stop to it becasue it was demoralizing the enemy. What a joke! We backed off and look what happened. I do not believe in these cases that violence begat more violence. Violence was a means to an end.
Now, I did not intend for this political discussion and would like to see the politics stop. This thread was started to discuss terrorism training and how we could use lessons learned from others to better protect our country and our citizens. I make no apologies for having the safety of our country, our citizens and my family as a top priority.
