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Re: To fight or not to fight?

…in the short run, that is. In the long run, somebody’s gonna get hurt. And, then come the cops, and after them, the lawyers. By all accounts, it be a real sucky experience when you have to spend time in court, justifying how you reconfigured some dude’s face against a brick wall, whatnot. Yes, better to walk off and go on to enjoy your life without hassles…if you have a choice in the matter, at least.

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Re: Getting totally owned in fight class… Help!

Yeh, I hear ya.

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Re: Can fight class ingrain bad habits?

That ‘red man’ suit is an awesome idea.

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Re: Bas Rutten 28 min Workout Series

I do the kickboxing cd against my wavemaster. Or more like, I start off doing the kickboxing cd against the wavemaster, but eventually trail off and do my own combos on the bag, and just use Bas when he calls time for the 1 min breathers. I have one of them tall boy wavemaster xxl’s, and try to pound the stuffing out of it, haha. I don’t wrap up or wear gloves, but I mostly open-hand strike it, anyways.

Oh yeah, that mma workout cd is a farging killer!

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Re: Getting totally owned in fight class… Help!

quote DKatman:

OK – I wrote so much, I wanted to put this at the top. Someone very early on recommended jumping rope a lot to get me better conditioned for footwork. I need to start that again.

Oh yes. I think within the first three classes, I might have been one of the guys “owning” you. I remember feeling so good. I barely got hit. I was able to move around and felt really comfortable. That all changed, but those were the good ole days.

My training partner and I started together. He was great at KM; aggressive, technically proficient. But he was very frustrated in intro to fight. I am taller. I am longer. I was much more aggressive while sparring. We switched partners often. I saw the same things in others. They were wide eyed. They really didn’t want me to hit them. They would retreat and think about defending my attacks. I learned that if I kept throwing jabs, even if they had next to nothing on them, I could keep my opponent worrying about getting hit and they would forget to throw at me.

Man was I proud of myself. But it also made me look at myself and how it went for me. I also switched to a partner that looked visibly scared of fighting. (Oooh! I need to preface this with pointing out how when you spar and train with someone regularly, you learn them. even at 50%, you go a little harder because you know each others limits. Conversely, you go a little lighter when you know someone and don’t want to push them too far in their limits) Well, this guy showed me with his first few punches and combinations that he wanted to play 50% meaning 50%, and he wanted to make the motions and practice extending punches and defending the punches, but he had no intention of really hitting me or being hit buy me. I felt it was akin to the difference between sparring with someone and doing tai chi at the park. We went through the motions, but it was just posturing with incredibly slow movements. It wasn’t much for fighting, but it was great for vision. It was good for stringing together combos (in super dynamic slo-mo). It was good for me. It was good that he let it know that he wanted to slow down. Now just seeing his physical stature, I would not have come at him like a bull out of the gates. But it was still better to set the ground rules. Because it also let me know that while I didn’t think it was appropriate to hit him too hard, it also let me know that he didn’t plan on me being his punching bag either.

I realized that I was going a little too aggressively against people in general for us both to get out of the class what we needed. I have slowed it down a lot since then when sparring all the time. I make sure I stop and give openings so it is a trade, not just someone defending me. But I have also learned that if going into a “fight” smother them and don’t give them the luxury of feeling like they can hit me too. I also start every spar with someone by telling them: Tell me to slow down when I start going to hard. I will try to slow it down, but you’ll scare me when you start hitting me and I will speed up. I feel like it sets the tone right off the bat that you are more than welcome (and it is my error, not your weakness) to slow me down. And it also keeps it in my head right before we start sparring. I haven’t had anyone ask me to slow down. I have said it to myself out loud while sparring.

Also, I am not great at sparring at all. I feel like I wrote this as if I am a killer at sparring. My hat gets handed to me all the time. I am not nearly as good as I even think this portrayed me. And lately, it has been getting handed to me more. I feel like I am good enough that it invites people to spar pretty well against me. And they do. I have only been down on myself because I feel like I have had so many flaws exposed lately. I do fairly well against people at my level. But people who know what they are doing really toy with me. I have been getting particularly great advice from instructors lately. I can see how the subtle (which are paramount) pointers really help. It is like in intro to fight, we were learning get in, get your shots, and get out. I will too often stand there, right in someone’s live side, ready to trade, planning on getting the better of it (and then still not). I was moving in and out. I was coached to move around a lot more side to side. Then there was just letting my head sit there as I defend and counter. I was given the advice of keeping my head moving. I can see it. I need to put it into play more.

I had this one guy stand right in front of me, throw his leg out and back heal me in the nose (yes, through my head gear). I could not believe how he even did it, let alone how I could just stand there and not move away. I was glad my nose wasn’t broken (and I wasn’t so sure it wasn’t at first).Then I let the same fool kick me in the back of the head not more than ten minutes later. I am not even sure which direction that kick started.

Good Luck,

Dave

Ha, that was a fun read!

But anyways, when shyte happens without a heads up, like being jumped by some holeass right out of the blue, one would be hard-pressed to use their mad sparring skillz, anyways. Training for that is better served if your partner straps on a bullet suit and charges you, and you just go at him, balls out.

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Re: To fight or not to fight?

Yeh, you did the right thing. But hmmm, bashing the dude’s face into the table he sat at would have been imensely more satisfying. Just sayin’. :))))

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Re: "With open arms…"

quote OldKravDude:

Damn, ya ‘all. I merely stated that I didn’t believe that we should all be one big happy family with someone who has slandered our organization and Darren. Wow, aren’t we allowed to differ in opinion? Name calling and “they oughta fight” – wow. I’ll keep my opinions to myself from now on. Ryan, Mike called me an ignorant, not you. You disagree with me, that’s cool. I’m a big boy. Sorry to be such a trouble maker.

Now now, I was just joshin about the fight thing.

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Re: Krav Maga video section?

Oh, ok. That’s cool, too.

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Re: about them smiley inserts

quote downforlife76:

‘f u spel stuf rong dat woen’t hapin!

Huked on fonix wurkt fur me, huh? Sounds like a plan, Down. 😀

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Re: usefulness of sparring classes?

quote Ryan:

Well, if a heavy bag ever attacks her, she’ll be ready. 😉

Well, I believe it’s you who wrote TRAINING in capitals last, no?

But yes, I agree, it would be best if there was a live partner dressed in heavy full padding that she could attack as he charges her. But then, I already mentioned that with the bullet suit, many posts ago in this very thread. So this is all stir and repeat at this point, I guess.

Later.

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Re: usefulness of sparring classes?

quote Ryan:

I’m not sure I understand your point. So, sparring is useful for inducing adrenaline, as well as learning to do damage while absorbing. However, it’s not the same as attacking your student as they wash their hands in the restroom.

So then you DO understand my point. *smirk*

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Re: usefulness of sparring classes?

quote Ryan:

Okay, so you take a 35 year old housewife who’s never played any sport and who’s never been in a fight, have her put on gloves, headgear, and shinguards, and you don’t think she’ll experience those things?

Well then, me personally, I would never put a 35 year old inactive housewife into full gear against a sparring partner, turn on the timer, and tell her she’s learning to defend herself. I’d rather put her in front of a stand-up bag, and tell her to go feral on it, clawing at it with her nails while throwing nonstop palmheel strikes, as hard and fast as she can until she can’t do it no more. I’d have her keep doing that repeatedly until its sinks nice and deep into muscle memory. Just thinking out loud here. 😉

Yes, I agree, goal-specific sparring is smarter training.

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Re: usefulness of sparring classes?

quote Ryan:

These things can be illicited through sparring.

Again, with certain types of sparring, yes. With kickboxing sparring, not so much. What I mean to say is, of course your lungs start burning and your eyes dilate coz you’re all keyed up while sparring, but it’s a whole other type of keying up compared to being attacked.

I gotta stress the difference here, I’m talking flat out, cold-cocked, out of the blue attack…it’s not a fight. You won’t react like it’s a fight.

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Re: "With open arms…"

quote downforlife76:

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

Oh… Sorry… That probably didn’t help, did it? 😛

I think Old Krave Dude and that Mike Lee Kanarek fella outta duke it out. 😀
Seriously though, I checked out Kanarek’s stuff before and it seemed pretty cool, so it sux that he’s gone. Some of youz could’ve been more welcoming to him, yup yup. Mike, if you’re reading this, you outta come back.

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Re: usefulness of sparring classes?

Ok, in that respect, yes. But then, that stress is not a street attack stress, right? So how do we simulate a street attack type of stress if we are training in effective self defense.

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