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Re: Krav Maga experts/instructors that AREN’T widely known
Awesome pic Kevin. It’s great to have a guy who is so well educated of the history of the art. As a favor, could you ask Alan F. if he taught (had a seminar)on the University of Florida Campus in 81′. They were having trouble with women getting assaulted and brought in a guy named Mooky and another guy who was younger(possibly Alan F.) It was my first up close look at Krav Maga. I grew up in a military family, so we had a good understanding of the Israeli Defense Forces hand-to-hand program and it’s affectiveness. But after seeing these guys and working out with them I knew I had found what I wanted. Problem was back in those days, no instructors around where we we stationed.
Re: Tapping Out?
I have to agree with Jeremy and others here. This seems to have a Cobra-Kai mentality smack to it (sweep the leg Jonny). Safety of all participating students is of the utmost importance. If you’re hurt, you cannot train, if you cannot train, you could get hurt. Find a place where egos get checked at the door, and the safety of you and all those you train with, is as important as the training itself!
Re: Looking for Krav Maga recommendations
Reuven,
I would suggest you go to Wingate Academy and tell them what you’re there for. There are several top instructors and you’ll get some good backdrop info from the people there. Good Luck!!!Re: Weapons on Dead vs. Live side ??
Thank you to CJ’s Dad for expaining (correctly) what the dead v. live sides are, creating a dead side, etc. I do wonder however how a L4 student missed this in his previous training. Makes me a little curious about his training or his memory!
Re: Iki ?
Sure, agreed, if you can, hit first
my point is that is not a given, not 100% and that must be acknowledged. As per what SteveTuna wrote aboout in the bar scenario.Also agreed that one should get up asap if you find yourself on the ground. Sometimes possible but NOT always (struggle with oponent, multiple attackers etc.)
I agree with Donavin on several fronts but especially in dealing with ground in general and the point about weapons on/off the ground.
Nir M.’s form of instruction is to the point and addresses these issues as do some of the other disciplines. I think that all would agree that having an adult conversation and the sharing of thoughts and ideas can do nothing but help us learn.
Ryan- “Go with the methodology that works for you. Look at what’s been proven to work over time. Train with as many people as you can, and take what works for you.” –again agreed.
Dynamics change, methodologies also change with time. So yes train what works for you, but also keep an open mind to things you do not know or have not trained in. IMHO
Re: Iki ?
Let’s see…first the % of fights that go to the ground might in fact be over/under-estimated. Don’t get stuck on the numbers (80% 72% 42% whatever). Depending on the source and how the numbers get input, it is still a fact that a large portion of fights go to the ground. Even more so today than any other. With the popularity of BJJ, UFC, K1, WEC and the like, I believe it is even more relavent today than ever before.
Imho there is no 100% in self defense. So the hit them first mentality is not only arrogant but wrong minded. What IF you get hit first? Then what? What IF you get knocked to the ground, are mounted and the attacker is throwing thunder in your face? What if there are multiple attackers intent on taking you to the ground and boot-stomping you? (re:GMD, group monkey dance)
My opinion is that we train in the deficit for a reason, and to expand our ability to fight stand-up or ground is paramount in a complete system.Second, if you read the first words dealing with Darren and his credentials you’ll see that I said “I don’t discredit Darren or his system..”
Third, my point was that one should use just as much scutiny for the intructor as the system in general. (karate is a good MA…unless the instructor sucks)
I would hope that all that post here would agree that the things the general public are exposed to now compared to even twenty years ago has changed. The attackers are more sophisticated, more brazen, and have no respect or fear of law enforcement. It just seems to me that all self defense systems being taught today should reflect those changes.
Again this is my opinion and I didn’t come on here to disparage anyones credentials or system. JL
Re: Iki ?
Once again Psyops and I are on the same ideological page. From a macro viewpoint, the system used is just that. But the knowledge and skill set of the instructor is paramount when deciding who to train with. Notice I said who to train with and not what system to use. If you look back 30 yrs. or so (post-1981) the fine folks in Israel thought that Darrens belt was illegitiment. They thought that coming to Israel and training with a man in his advanced years for a couple of months didn’t warrant a Black Belt designation. This along with some financial woes that Imi was dealing with made this contention very heated.
I don’t discredit Darrens belt, or the KMWW system. I only discredit those that think their brand of Krav Maga is the only legit brand in the market. Some would then argue that KMWW does not cover ground thoroughly enough, and has not evolved with the way crimes are inflicted in this day and age. We all know that 80% of fights go to the ground. Then could the arguement be that we should teach ground in more of our curriculum?
I was first introduced to Krav in the early 80’s in Florida. It was as real then as it is now. I have worked with Amir, Darren, Nir Mamman, and some of the best operators out there(who cannot be named here). And for what it is worth, I found them all to bring alot to the table. And I’m a better man for it. I am older then most that will post here. My advice to you all is check out the Instructor AND the System to give a fair evaluation of the training you seek! And also know this, I have had my ups and downs with some in the KMWW system, but I will tell you that those individuals are not any longer in the KMWW system, thankfully. I find the system to be as legit as those formed many years ago in Israel. So if you are looking for good reality based training, find a good instructor and your training will be as good as you give!! this is simply my .02
Re: My 7 y/o sparring with teenage blackbelt in Junior’s class
Stays in balance, never crosses her feet. Round kicks are solid, keeps advancing, hands held high-elbows down….oh ya she’s KMX alright. Very good stuff!!! JL
Re: Does Krav Need The Startle Flinch?
You know…I think Krav does address the flinch response. It teaches bursting and the ready position. And builds on violence recognition. It may not be applied the same way, but I do believe many schools apply some portion of that philosophy. JL
Re: Great Km Book
Kevin….don’t get upset over someones opinion on a video! As stated I don’t own the book. But if I had to go by the video on here, I would not buy it either. If the video is used to promote the book then I would venture to re-do the vid. I don’t care if Imi gave him the keys to the frickin’ city. The video is poor at best. Being from Israel doesn’t mean squat, they have their fair share of substandard Instructors too. If the book is helpful in ones quest to learn more about the essence of krav then great. But the video still sucks….bottom-line. Sorry!
Re: Great Km Book
I have to agree with Ryan here. I have not seen nor do I own the book. But if I had to base my opinion on the video I would not pursue learning from this particular instructor. I don’t know what the deal is, very sloppy technique and he almost falls over in the first segment due to balance issues. And it doesn’t get better as the video continues. JL
Re: tactical distance question! Come on in…
Gunsotsu gave the perfect response….walk away!!!! If not possible, then CFLMak covers some valid thoughts on “where do we go from here?” IMHO
Re: Nir Maman
Nir is the real deal. The way he handles himself (very professional) and his willingness to make you better in the arts is awesome. I have some friends in the East and Canada that aren’t easy to impress. They put it this way, “Nir knows his stuff and doesn’t come loaded down with a lot of politics. He kicked our ass” JL
Re: Chokes
FWIW,
I agree with both Steve and Donavin, sparring has little to do with a street attack. I would submit however, that while we cannot duely replicate an assault, we can train in such a way as to be “as ready as is possible” to take on such an incident. We pressure test everything. (and please, don’t come on here and tell me that KMWW doe not pressure test). We simply put you under extreme pressure after some pretty exhausting exercises and conditioning drills. This is in no way a sparring session, we come at you very strong (within the context of everyone going home with all their digits and not too many bruises) and keep coming with different problems of which you have very little time to react. We are open hand, knife and gun and various other problems (ie Bat Bottle etc.) Just thought I would throw that in as part of a good thread! Hope you guys are all well!!!! That is All, Carry- On
JL
Re: Krav survival stories
I don’t know that anyone is saying that if you know Krav then you will be exempt from an attack. Be it with a knife or some other weapon of choice. The thing I try and get across is to defend a knife fight….have a gun! if not available or practical defend with all you have and expect to get cut. Try and interrupt the attackers process of attack(ooda loop) re disengage at the earliest possible time and use the Nike defense. Use improvised weapons to defend (i.e. chair, stick, bottle, spit, pool cue etc.) Did I mention that you will probably get cut if you stick around!!!
The responses you received are legit! Your willingness to defend must be as great or greater then their willingness to break the law and attack you!!! Stay safe! And keep working hard!!!! JL
