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Re: Nose or jaw?
quote Ryan:…and as far as this goes:What if I’m with my family? What if there’s more than one? Where am I running to? What if he’s 240 and I’m 135 (armbar takedown?)? What if I “pop him” and it creates distance between us or he pulls a weapon? What if I aim for the “general area” and hit his skull (how’s that armbar takedown looking?)? What if he doesn’t fall?
if… then you keep fighting, you don’t need me to tell you that. that space could easily be created if you aim for the jaw and miss. c’mon you guys are making this way more complicated that nit has to be. on the streets these things happen, you have to be able to adapt the game plan as the game changes.
and lastly when i say “pop him”, i mean hit him so it counts. but don’t go into the fight thinking that the one punch knock out is guaranteed, you have to be thinking that it won’t and you’re going to have to keep fighting.
i’ve tried to take guys down before and it didn’t go as planed but it leads into another technique. one time i tried and couldn’t get the right leverage becasue of the spacing and couldn’t get to any of my tools, but he was there and open so i kneed him into the ribs, the second time dropped him, and i was able to take control of him. if we were on the street, i would’ve used that opportunity to make a clean break.
Re: Nose or jaw?
well, if you take it as far as you say, then be prepared for some serious jail time. i’m not talking about “just enough” i’m talking about safely removing yourself from the situation as soon as posiible.
i’m not talking about rabbit punches or laying the guy down gently. in this type of situation you should move with a purpose. punch with a purpose, take him down hard, make him hurt. if you insist on staying there anf fighting with someone, you increase your chances of getting hurt. if you’re with your family, then that presents a different challenge, but that wasn’t mentioned in the original hypothetical.
as far as takedowns are concerened, i’ve taken down alot of guys bigger than me because i’ve had too. i’ve dealt with big typical looking mountainous polynesians, and i’ve taken down guys double my size. couple of weeks ago i had to take down a guy who had seriously assaulted his wife and was less than cooperative, this guy had some size on me, but i was able to do it. i had to move in before back up could arrive. sometimes it happens. that’s the beautiful thing about high speed leveraging moves like an armbar takedown i can execute it at high speed, leave the guy on the ground with a pounding headache, bleeding nose and remain standing. believe me when i have to put my hands on people i’m going to make them hurt and make sure they’re not going to get back up and cheap shot me behind my back.
what you are suggesting sounds like agression based on anger, and that’s never a good thing. hit the guy as hard as you can as many times as it takes to create an opening and get away from the situation as soon as safely possible, don’t try to stay and fight, just cuz you got the jump on him. i remeber a story where a female kickboxer was attacked. becasue of her superior training, reflexes, and timing she dropped the guy (didn’t knock him out) with the first punch, she decided to stay and finish him instead of getting away. that’s when the guy stabbed her multiple times as she tried to go to work on him as you’re suggesting.
believe me nothing good can come of you prolonging your stay to try to hurt the guy.
Re: Reacting to Insult
why would any sane person react when walking away is perfectly viable option? you never put yourself in dangerous situations willingly. even when poele challenge me to fight i am ususally able to walk away. i don’t fight unless it’s some sort of defense situation.
Re: Nose or jaw?
do you in all honestly think you’d be at all concerned about aiming you punch that precisely in a real life confrontation? i get paid to put myself into the middle of confrontations. what i’ve learned is that if you’re in any sort of danger, you aim for the general area and pop him like your life depended on it.
i’ve been in situations where i’ve blanked and all my training just goes right out the window, you kind of freeze up for a split second before your mind screams at you to move, do something, anything, and then you react, and by then you don’t have time to be aiming for his chin or temple, the only thing that matters is, i’m going home tonight and do i give a **** where you’re going after this? the important thing is to hit him and hit him hard.
besides, consider that his head is a moving object and every second you spend waiting for your shot is a second that you haven’t hit him.
pop him and use the opening to go for like an armbar takedown, then as he falls, back away and run. he doesn’t have to be knocked out he just has to take the time to get up before giving chase for you to put some distance between you.
Re: tactical distance question! Come on in…
well, i carry a gun at work, so this might not work for your situation, but were taught, loud clear verbal commands in an authoritative voice (LET ME SEE YOU HANDS!) at the same time you move in strike (like your hand/elbow is going to come out the other side of his head, or the other popular option is a good solid roundhouse to the common peronial (go for muscle disruption) then quickly move back in a tactical manner, to create space, then follow with the appropriate action, most likely draw down on him, at which time you sprawl him out with verbal commands… hopefully.
like i said, might not fit into every real life situation.
but the ideas, are right. the first strike stuns, or in the case of common peronial, casues muscle disruption, either way it serves the same function. so the first strike stuns, then you use the extra time to create space to give you even more time to take the appropriate action, most likekly you’d use all the extra time to run. remember the very first martial art was running.
even in the case of a gun, i’d run, chances are he’s not trained to shoot and either way i’d take my chances and run in a wierd erratic zig zaggy crackheaded manner.
Re: Weapons, Concealed and Otherwise
you know the bad guys are packing, so why not level the playing field? i’ve had to deal with knife attacks three times in my life. it’s never like dude is going to come at you waving a knife. each time the guy came at me/ us waited until he got close then went for the ol’ stick and cut.
the last time it was a mexican gangster, dude pulled a knife and i punched him in the face. well, i was going to punch him anyway so it’s not like i reacted to the knife, i just got him before he got me. that bought me enough time for my co workers to beat the **** out of him.
ahh… fun times.
i carry a knife on me, but we’re taught that a knife isn’t a weapon it’s a tool. a tool i can use to stab you if you put my family’s health in a compromising situation, or a tool i can use to cut your seat belt off when it gets stuck after a car accident and save your life, either way, a tool.
Re: Credit card fraud. What to do?
quote TheCrownsOwn:If identy theft is a concern: I’d also recommend you contact the various credit bureaus (here in Canada there are two major ones, not sure about the states) and advise them of the situation. They can flag your credit account for I believe 5 years or so, and anytime someone needs to check your credit (ie.- to get a credit card, make a major purchase like a house, car, etc.) you will be notified directly before anything goes ahead and they can put a stop to it if it isn’t you.From my understanding in cases of fraud, theft, etc. most businesses including banks / credit card companies are more interested in recouping there money, not in the criminal conviction….from a purely economical perspective, the corporation does not get the satisfaction a person/victim would be when someone is criminally convicted. That does little to recoup the monies lost for a company…and thats why a company invests its resources into loss prevention and recouping the money instead.
this! call or go online to the 3 major credit agencies and place afraud alert on your accounts. it’s easy and saves in the long run, you can never be too carefull.
Re: Cartoon Networks "Fitness Guru"
yup, bas is always awesome. i miss him as a commenator for fights…i miss pride.
Re: Vibram Five Fingers
vibrams are the isht!
i do everything in mine train, go to the store, run, hike (be cautioned, you feel everything through them, so watch where you step, cuz stepping on rocks in them is not fun!) not necessarily in that order. also not fun to wear on a hot day, not much insulation, so if you would not step out on the street barefoot, then don’t wear your vibrams, it’ll be the same as going barefoot and your feet will burn.
other than that, very versatile functional footwear. running in them actually hurts a lot less than it looks like it would, it really does correct your running foot technique and your feet eventually get…springier? yeah, that. and there’s less impact than with running shoes.
i don’t regret getting mine at all. even if they were $85.
Re: Interested in Krav
i first came across krav completely by chance becasue i was interested in doing martial arts, so during my research i came across. i did mad reasearch on it, read everything i could find on it, lead me to this website. since then i’ve had a bad craving for krav training.
there’s no shame in being unfit, or gassing at first. trust me at least you’ll be doing something good for yourself, and getting in shape. here’s the secret, it’s fun, and everytime, you do a little better. you will get there it just takes time and as long as you don’t just outright quit, you know before your body does, you never fail.
do it, you’ll hurt at first but stick it out it’s worth it, and you’ll feel better about yourself in a week. i guarantee you you’ll feel way better, move better, have more energy, and just plain feel better by this time next month.
did i mention you’ll feel better? awesome!
Re: Cross training in Kung Fu
the specific techniques might not tranfer over, but you get good conditioning and great functional strenth/flexibility training.
for example the serving tea cups drill, might not be usable on the street, but creates tremendous flexibility through the range of motion for the shoulders, chest, upper back, and core, and that’s never bad.
Re: aloha
oh , i’m still not skinny, i’m walking around at about 245, give or take, but that has more to do with my diet than anything else. i still eat all the local unhealthy crap i’m not suposed to. i’m happy, plus i carry around alot more muscle than ever before and i’m flexible enough to use my strength.
five years ago i had a hard time putting on my socks and tieing my shoes. some of my older training partners and teachers still remind me of how when i first began training i couldn’t lift my leg up past my knee straight up. so like i said i’m happy.
