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Re: Nir speaks out about anti Semitic Krav Maga instructors
What a hypocrite that Stewart is, teaching an ISRAELI system of defense, and then trashing Israel for defending themselves against the Palestinians.
I wonder how he would feel if rockets were coming down in his city, sending people running for bomb shelters day and night.
I say, boycott this douchebag….. I hope his students are smart enough to get as far away from him as possible !!
Re: What is the true standard of KMG?
quote CelticKM:Firstly a caveat, I’m a member of KMG and also relatively new to KMG.Before I joined up and was willing to spend my hard earned money on learning Krav I wanted to make sure that I was joining a reputable organization. Luckily for me there was a local KMG class nearby and after doing some basic research I can say that KMG are one of the more reputable organisations. This can easily be seen by the history some of their more senior members.
Eyal goes without saying but you also have people like Ilya Dunsky, former head Krav Maga Instructor of the IDF’s Counterterrorist School and Shara Klarfeld former head of the IDF Krav Maga program. There are others but you get the general idea, these aren’t just people with fake IDF relationships.
It also goes without saying that these Organisations are mostly run as businesses and are not non-profit so if you go onto their sites they are promoting various products and training but this is a necessary requirement to survive going bankrupt and shouldn’t reflect badly on what they teach.
Even though I have outlined how I think KMG are very reputable above I wouldn’t (if I were you in the United States which I know a lot of you are from) be looking only for a KMG club. this is because as to begin with Eyal and Darren Levine were promoting Krav in the States via IKMF and now Darren with his own organisation so I guess these may be bigger organisations due to the head start on KMG over in the States and are just as reputable. KMG does seem to be bigger over here in Europe though.
I would recommend joining the ‘KMG Official Group’ Facebook group even for non-members of KMG as there are some good events people can attend. This is what has been going on in the past two weeks in Israel if you like reading Blogs and want a feel of what KMG’s training is like.
First week is Graduates week
http://www.institute-kravmaga.co.uk/kmg-graduate-camp-2012/
and second week is Experts week
http://www.institute-kravmaga.co.uk/kmg-expert-camp-2012/
I will conclude with something I think is key and that is one point that was made in the blogs. It was that the writer thought it was great that he was meeting people from all over the world and that they were all performing identical techniques as governed by the KMG curriculum. This really does show that the techniques are being passed all the way down from Eyal to the Graduates without dilution which I think is the key to learning Krav Maga from the experts IMHO. If the Graduates started saying I am being taught something different in my class I would be getting worried but that is not to say that KMG isn’t constantly changing also to pick up new and improved techniques.
Hope this helps give some more background for you and others
I’ve trained with both Eyal and Ilya- great instructors with perfect technique. 2 of the best in the business, along with Zeev Cohen
Overall, the very best instructor I’ve trained with is Nir Maman- the real deal !!!
Re: Nir Maman
quote Psyops:Nir Maman does not have a relationship with KMW. However this should not deter you from training with him. Organizations do not legitimize instructors. Instructors collectively legitimize their organizations. Find out where he is going to be and train with him. Your Krav Maga will be at another level.thumbsup
Re: Nir Maman
refreshing an old thread, had to comment as well….
Nir is the real deal…. a tremendous instructor and one of the most genuine people you will ever meet !!!
I’ve had a chance to train with some of the best (Eyal Yanilov, Zeev Cohen) but Nir is the best of the best !!! His system is easy to learn, and effective as hell (almost too effective, lol)
If you have a chance to train with him, its definitely worth it !!
Re: Visiting Israel for Krav Maga
I went to Israel over the summer for a few weeks with KMG touring and training and saw almost everything there is to see in Israel, as well as train everyday. We did indoor training at Wingate, and outdoor training all over the damn place (as well as in the water !!). Its worth checking out
Re: CKM or KMG
quote jwebb88:I have just read the sticky’d post about CKM, so i don’t think I want to do that one. Can anyone give me info on whether or not Krav Maga Global is going to teach me actual Krav Maga?yes, KMG is a good system run by Eyal Yanilov’s group. I trained with them in Israel over the summer and found it to be more practical and aggressive than the KMWW school that I previously trained at
Re: Great Km Book
quote Ryan:Haven’t seen the book, but after seeing this video, I think I’ll pass:I’m not quite sure what to make of this video…..
Re: What did you do in Krav Maga class today?
Tuesdays class started out with some agility ladder as a warmup, followed by the drill where you punch the tombstone pad at all out speed while a few other guys try to prevent you from hitting the pad by grabbing, pulling, tackling (lol)…a real good drill
Also, we worked roundhouse kicks on the heavy bags (always can use more kicking drills) before we went to gun from the side and rear techniques
Re: Nose or jaw?
quote Ryan:Jaw…not even much of a debate, in my mind.Folks get hit in the nose in sports all of the time, and keep playing (and that’s not a fight for their lives.) Fighters continue to fight with broken noses…not broken jaws (or unconsciousness.)
The jaw is not fixed, so it’s not as “hard” a target as you may think, and it is considerably larger than the nose. The jaw wraps around a good two-thirds of the head.
If I aim for the chin and I’m high, I get the nose. If I’m low, I get the throat. If you’re high on the nose (or they tuck their chin), you get the forehead.
Fights are ended by making someone unwilling or unable to continue fighting. Punching someone in the nose rarely does that. If I get ONE shot, I’m trying to leave them unconscious, not teary eyed. Just my opinion.
totally agree…been punched in the nose numerous times in boxing (broken 7 or 8 times) and was able to keep fighting.
Hit in the chin with a perfect punch once, and dont remember too much after, until the end of the round (somehow, although stunned pretty bad, I kept fighting on instinct)
Had I taken another shot to the jaw……
Re: What did you do in Krav Maga class today?
This is a great thread !! thumbsup
I often wonder what drills other schools are doing to get some new ideas, and incorporate them
I will post tomorrow after my class and let you guys know what were doing
Re: RIP David Carradine
The man wasnt even a Martial Artist, but a dancer !! (he fully admits that)
Bruce Lee got snubbed for him ???!!!
Re: Why call It NE regional Training center, Why call it KM at all??
well, its nice to see that my post to some anonymous idiot, who thinks he knows me, gets deleted because I put a sparring challenge out there to him…nice job mods !!
I will only comment further on the “religious” message. I am Roman Catholic, and I think my instructor is Christian (I dont even really know, tbh), and I never got any “religious” messages out of his lectures, what he talks about most is self-belief and positive thinking. NEVER has God even been mentioned in any of the lectures.
I dont like ppl forcing their religion on me, either
Re: Why call It NE regional Training center, Why call it KM at all??
quote J Wo Man:Originally Posted by Vinman
After reading all the posts in this thread, I cant decide whether TONY needs a tissue box more than he does a violin…its a tough choiceBefore I go into my thoughts, I should tell everyone here that I go to the Training Edge, and Steve Spoth is my instructor. Anyone who’s trained with him knows that he is a great instructor, and is also very impressive with his techniques.
I am also a good friend of Ken B (was that no fighting spirit a shot at me ??;):), so I dont want to discredit my friend in this whole matter, but here is my take-
We are trained in Krav Maga and we also learn Thai kickboxing as a compliment to the KM….whats wrong with that ?? Last time I checked, KM included elbows, kicks, and knees, so wouldnt they compliment each other fairly well ?? I see other KM schools also teach Muay Thai, so what Steve is doing isnt far out of the realm of what others are doing as well. TONY, does that make sense to you ??
We are also trained in HaganaH, another Israeli system founded by Mike Lee Kanarek, who is a former IDF soldier (he was in the Israeli Special Forces, but I dont know what his exact title was, so I wont guess at it, and be corrected later). I’ve been in boxing gyms all my life, and met and trained with many professional fighters, as well as being trained by professional trainers, and I’ve also trained in Kenpo and Ninjitsu, and let me tell you, Mike Lee Kanarek is one of the baddest dudes I’ve ever met, plain and simple !! Its an honor to be able to train and learn from someone who fought against Hezbollah, and has used his KM training in real life situations. Just for the record, Steve Spoth is a Black Belt in HaganaH, and I’m 100 percent sure that the testing for that Black Belt was just as hard, if not harder than the testing LA does for its Black belts.
I have nothing against LA, or the rules that they make out there (if I ever had the chance to meet Darren, I would definitely enjoy the opportunity), but lets be frank here….do you think that Eyal or Itay Gil believe that LA is the be all end all of KM, like TONY the tool believes ?? Nevermind the tissuebox and violin, just buy a plane ticket to Los Angeles.
About the KM that we learn at the Training Edge- its all the techniques that are in Darren’s book (I have the book, and refer to it regularly), and the intensity of the classes is great. I like to think of myself as someone in pretty decent shape, between KM, Crossfit (a shoutout to the guy who got me hooked- Garddawg !!), and soccer, the workouts we do knock the **** out of me !!
One last word for TONY, if you ever decide to come back, I’ll personally hold the pads for you
After reading all of the posts on this thread, I felt the need to say a few things!! First of all, I want to say, Tony…..Everything you have said is 100% accurate in regards to the Training Edge and the way Krav Maga is being taught. Props to you bro!! I was a student there for over 6 years, and over those 6 years there has been MANY changes. Not only has the curriculum changed drastically and the intensity is non-existent, but the instructors over the last few years are a JOKE! What I mean by this is, Steve advances students quickly to an instructor level…. and the joke is they often teach the curriculum inaccurately. Probably because they have not been learning the techniques long enough nor with precision to be at a mastery level needed to teach. Nor have they gone through the gruling 6-8 hr intense non-stop testing where both your emotions and physical abilities get tested to the max. When you have students who often correct the instructor or crack jokes about the instructor in class…that in itself makes the school look bad! Tony…aint that the truth?
On top of that, it is reqired that all instructors there tie in a 5 min lecture near the end of class which often preaches about religion (not always directly, but is tied in in some way). Last time I checked, a martial arts school is not the place to preach religion, and is often very offensive to some people including myself. In addition, people that attend the Training Edge pay a pretty price for their tuition to learn the martial art, not to be a follower of Steve’s religion. The class isn’t half as bad as the amount of preaching that goes on in his CIT classes for the instructors. In my time and money spent at the Training Edge, I was falsefully led to believe that the Krav Maga curriculum was going to continue to be intense and even better than ever before….that’s a huge joke. I challenge anyone to go visit this facility and see what a joke it really is. Check out the students who are in the upper belted classes that he calls masters, take a look at their belt and see the lack of intensity, poor technique etc that they perform at. Trust me, it’s not their fault, it’s just the way the watered down curriculum is, and like Tony said, 99.9% of the students pass their belt tests. All they have to do is show up! When I first started, if Steve yelled out a technique during the original 6 hr tests, you needed to know it and perform it with accuracy or you failed. That is the way it should be. If I wanted to learn a half a** martial arts system I would attend a local gym that has Joe Shmo teaching it…..it would only cost a quarter of what Steve charges….Get my point??
As for Vinny…..Really???….who is the tool here? It’s a shame you took what Tony had to say as a personal attack on you and your manliness. You CLEARLY missed his point, probably because you were way too busy gloating about yourself and your background in Martial arts. I have seen you at the Edge…..your not the tough guy you claim to be. Not to mention, a true martial artist is HUMBLE and doesn’t play the whose di** is larger contest….so chill out bro…”DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?” Have you asked Steve what your belt is in bro? Krav Maga? MMA? Maybe you should cause that’s a joke too. With the experience you claim to have there is NO WAY if you were under good training by “real” blackbelt instructors and good schools would you continue to stay at the Edge…but it is very possible that you are brainwashed too. Good Luck to you bro! Tony hope all is well!!It takes a pretty big man to talk sh!t on an internet forum, and not leave a name to who you are. I never gloated about my background, and if you doubt my abilities TOUGH GUY, name the time and place, and we could do a few rounds of sparring, and I’ll gladly wipe the floor with your sorry ass !!
Re: Why call It NE regional Training center, Why call it KM at all??
After reading all the posts in this thread, I cant decide whether TONY needs a tissue box more than he does a violin…its a tough choice
Before I go into my thoughts, I should tell everyone here that I go to the Training Edge, and Steve Spoth is my instructor. Anyone who’s trained with him knows that he is a great instructor, and is also very impressive with his techniques.
I am also a good friend of Ken B (was that no fighting spirit a shot at me ??;):), so I dont want to discredit my friend in this whole matter, but here is my take-
We are trained in Krav Maga and we also learn Thai kickboxing as a compliment to the KM….whats wrong with that ?? Last time I checked, KM included elbows, kicks, and knees, so wouldnt they compliment each other fairly well ?? I see other KM schools also teach Muay Thai, so what Steve is doing isnt far out of the realm of what others are doing as well. TONY, does that make sense to you ??
We are also trained in HaganaH, another Israeli system founded by Mike Lee Kanarek, who is a former IDF soldier (he was in the Israeli Special Forces, but I dont know what his exact title was, so I wont guess at it, and be corrected later). I’ve been in boxing gyms all my life, and met and trained with many professional fighters, as well as being trained by professional trainers, and I’ve also trained in Kenpo and Ninjitsu, and let me tell you, Mike Lee Kanarek is one of the baddest dudes I’ve ever met, plain and simple !! Its an honor to be able to train and learn from someone who fought against Hezbollah, and has used his KM training in real life situations. Just for the record, Steve Spoth is a Black Belt in HaganaH, and I’m 100 percent sure that the testing for that Black Belt was just as hard, if not harder than the testing LA does for its Black belts.
I have nothing against LA, or the rules that they make out there (if I ever had the chance to meet Darren, I would definitely enjoy the opportunity), but lets be frank here….do you think that Eyal or Itay Gil believe that LA is the be all end all of KM, like TONY the tool believes ?? Nevermind the tissuebox and violin, just buy a plane ticket to Los Angeles.
About the KM that we learn at the Training Edge- its all the techniques that are in Darren’s book (I have the book, and refer to it regularly), and the intensity of the classes is great. I like to think of myself as someone in pretty decent shape, between KM, Crossfit (a shoutout to the guy who got me hooked- Garddawg !!), and soccer, the workouts we do knock the **** out of me !!
One last word for TONY, if you ever decide to come back, I’ll personally hold the pads for you
