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Re: KM in a real situation?
I know I haven’t been posting here in a long time (had to stop training due to neck injury) but I think my story illustrates the applicability of KM in a real life situation:
I was about 16, my KM training buddy (best friend) and I went to shoot some hoops in my old neighborhood. My old neighborhood is, all together, a quiet and peaceful place but sometimes kid-gangs from the adjacent neighborhoods would come to ruin it for everyone.
And so it happened that a band of about 10-15 young guys (ages 12-15) entered the basketball court. Everyone else knew they had to leave – but my buddy and I stayed. Why would two 16 year-olds leave when a bunch of “kids” come in?
Bad decision. Pretty soon, they snatched our basketball away and my friend, not a very bright individual apparently, went chasing. They separated us. A semi-circle formed around me and their “leader” this notorious guy, started punching me in the chest, smiling stupidly. This is when my KM training came in: I stayed extremely calm. I even remember being able to make logical decision while his ineffective attacks were landing. I watched for my friend to notice what was happening. Other kids in the crowd started going at me from the sides with useless kicks, all of which either landed short – or were absorbed by me simply turning my hips. It was all done under immense control. I did not want to hit anyone back because I knew the stories about these kids’ older brothers that were in and out of jail for stabbing people. – I just kept watching for my face and groin area, ready to strike if I suspected an attack to those areas.
Soon enough, my friend notice what was happening. He had more street-smarts so he knew that we could probably embarrass this gang-wannabes but that it would be better to disengage.
We ended up running away.
I felt bad fro weeks, it’s a shame we didn’t hit back but I think it was smart.
All together, my KM training helped me stay cool under pressure, it made me more familiarized with physical contact and so I was able to make perfectly logical decisions. It taught me how to absorb and reflect attacks to such an extent that I had virtually not even a bruise on me that night.
But better than all, it must have saved my life because we were so controlled that we did not hurt these kids, an act that would have started a whole gang “war” against us.We just wanted to play some b-ball!
Re: Curious about the logo
I would like to add the the Krav Maga symbol doesn’t just include the kuf and mem of the words krav maga – but rather, all the letters that spell krav maga in Hebrew – this is in a similar way to they way the Toyota logo includes all the letters of the word “toyota”. You can reuse the same lines to find all letters.
קרב מגע
Some are trickier than others.
Kuf ק uses the cursive form of itself, which is more rounded.
Gimel ג actually lies on its right side.I agree about the circle’s meaning. But I also think it’s an aesthetic choice to have the circle.
Re: Living and training in israel
quote Cigaro78:I see what you mean but I’m not sure I agree. Realistically if you are concerned about terrorists attacks then it’s *never* a good time to be in Israel. The number of rocket attacks during the last 8 years is absolutely staggering – I don’t think we can even imagine how it’s like.I have an Israeli friend who was here during 7/7 in England, and he couldn’t believe people went to the pub at breaktime to listen to the PM speak about the morning’s attacks. I think his words were ‘what’s all the fuss about? It’s just the one attack’. He didn’t mean it disrespectfully or anything – he genuinely was so used to terror that this sort of thing didn’t even ‘register’ anymore.
I don’t beleive Netanya is in range of the Qassams though. Regardless, I don’t think that even if they did it would necessarily be a ‘bad’ idea to go and live there. Just don’t burn any bridges – that way you can always go back if you don’t like the experience.
I grew up in Netanya, Israel and lived there from 1988 to 2006. As a kid I’ve been on the receiving end of Scud missiles from Iraq in 1990-1991, terrorist bombings in buses, coffee shops, and shopping malls during the whole time. I want to tell you that a) No, Netanya is not in range of Hamas rockets from the south nor is it in range of Hizbullah rockets from the north – so in the current crisis, Netanya is pretty normal. b) Unfortunately, you are correct that Israelis grew accustomed to terrorism. The main shopping mall in Netanya, where I spent many hours in the movies or with friends as a teenager was attacked by suicide bombers !!!3!!! times in a row. But still, people kept going. In Israel, security was so tight during that time, that it was extremely difficult for anyone to succeed in any attacks. More recently however, Israeli security forces learned that it’s better to take the security measures to the enemy – and as a result, you can have lax security in mall entrances and still get no attacks.
davidjoel: I would suggest living near the center of Netanya – there are many studio apartment hotels. When I was in the IDF I lived in one such room for a year. It was in a place called “Galey Ruth” hotel on David Hamelech (king David) street in Netanya. I paid around 1500NIS a month, which included everything… it is the equivalent of about $400. The main advantage was that it was in the center of town, so you could walk to any businesses you needed (supermarket, laundry place) and it was literally 2 minutes walking distance from one of the best beaches outside the Caribbean. If you want real hardcore training, I would suggest trying Haim Gideon’s gym, or Gabi Noah’s gym. They’re both in Netanya, but you might need to grab a taxi for the first. Let me know if you have anyyyy questions. If I don’t answer, email me to niznash at g mail dot com – I don’t frequent this forum that much since I’m not training due to a neck injury.
Re: smell
I remember training with this one guy who came to class sick (recovering from stomach flu to be precise) he farted about 2-3 times before I noticed it was him – I just told him to his face, I said: “what did you eat!?” but I smiled as I said it – so he apologized and either retained the rest or he was actually done farting… I can’t remember.
Just tell them to their face but be casual and friendly -everyone smells every once in a while.
Re: Can I really block?
quote BrickT9:I find a lot of people don’t get this. I’m glad you posted it. I’ve had some relationships negatively affected because of “play” fighting. I either ended up avoiding the person or unintentionally hurting the individual.Some people train for fitness or sport. I fight to protect others so I try not to mix motivations in order to stay focused. If an untrained female family member is helping me practice, we keep in mind the whole point of what’s going on. So she respects my skills, and I respect her lack of them and respond seriously but gently. This understanding works great for us.
Great quote. People can learn a lot from it.
Thanks man, I appreciate your compliment.
Re: ESPN Story On Real Fight Clubs
LoL
Good sharing Rev.
I really liked the keyboard fight, how the little keys were sent flying out from the keyboard with every hit… LoL… I work a 40 hour/week job in front of the computer and at the same time am a full-time student of COMPUTER SCIENCE. Although I love the subject, I sometimes feel like passing the keyboard straight through my professor’s face… LOL.Other than that, these guys are complete idiots. I mean, putting yourself at risk of injury to feel manly?! WTF! -There are a million ways to feel manly w/o having to risk it all… hunting, fishing, shooting practicing MAs, running, even watching sports. Plus, that’s no anywhere close to why I like KM and some of you would say “what about MMA/UFC guys?” – well, at least these idiots get paid.
Re: Can I really block?
What your talking about as a perfect example of classical conditioning.
If every time your wife gets close to you, she hits you, eventually you’ll learn to react in a certain way; maybe you’d get more intesne, maybe you’d slap her back. But most likely, this will be avoidence learning. In other words, it will make you want to avoid your wife. Now question is, can’t you just talk to her outright and tell her not to do that b/c it will make you want to either avoid her or to be tense and ready when close to her? That is not normal! Even the best kong-fu master in the world will not be able to block a sucker punch type attack from his closest friends or family. When we are next to the people we trust, we relax. We feel comfortable around them… I think your wife could help you train, but once you’re not training, you shouldn’t expect her to smack you and she shouldn’t do that to you.And don’t feel bad.
Re: Watch out for neck injuries!
quote Miriam:Satilan:That STINKS! I sincerely hope you heal well and heal quickly.
And for what it’s worth – you’re not whining; you’re giving good advice that I really don’t think is mentioned enough.
It’s unfortunate that (some, not all) people need to be reminded to train safely, not really for themselves so much, but rather for the people with whom they train. Of course, accidents happen. Anyone who knows me, knows that my worst injury was due to my own failure to move properly/safely. But accidents aside, no one should be working in a manner that puts their partner at risk. If you or anyone else out there ever feels the slightest bit uneasy about the way someone is working with them, STOP and politely address the situation. It’s just not worth the pain, let alone the time and cost in recovery and out of training. Believe me… IT SUCKS BIG TIME!!! (can I say that without having to use $&@&???)
Thank you for your support.
Don’t get me wrong, I do not blame the person with which I was sparring, I feel like it is my own fault.Re: Watch out for neck injuries!
quote Kevin Mack:It sounds like a cervical disc herniation.Depending on which nerve the herniation is effecting you will feel the tingling down either the right or left arm.
I had a really bad one and suffered through 2-3 months of the most severe pain I have ever experienced…the nerve impingment cause muscle atrophy in my right pec,tricep and upper forearm.I lost all the muscle and it took me more than a year to build it back up.Once its hurt there is not much to do about it except anti-inflammatories and the worst case is surgery.
Suffice it to say that I am very nervous and scared when I train and I will only spar with a few people that I trust.
Good luck.Hey,
Thanks for the reply.
How did it happen to you? From a choke?Re: Bullies
What a great thread.
When I was in high school we had a bully. Appearently he kept nagging this really quiet guy that was really a good kid. This one time, I guess he over did it and the victim kid went home and returned with a very large piece of lumber with a 2 inch construction nail sticking out of its other hand. He seeked the bully and in the middle of the yard, in front of everyone, drove those two inches of rusty metal completely through the bully’s skull.
The next day the principal had an open conversation with the entire school in the auditorium. She was holding the weapon and showed us MRI pictures of the bully’s head. The doctors had said that if the nail would have been only a few millimeters longer, it would have penetrated the soft tissues of the brain! Everyone in the school praised the good kid for standing up to himself. The good kid got expelled but we protested in they let him return. The bully proceeded to be expelled from the school and then expelled again from the second high school because he forcedully touched a girl in her private areas in the school bus…
Re: KM Tests
As my friend Kevin Mack explains, all KM schools in Israel still wear belts. I don’t know about Yanilov, but I did train in one of the schools that belonged to the same group as Yanilov’s (association or federation? I always forget). And we wore belts there.
In my opinion the removal of belts from the attirre is just a publcity move by Darren and his KMWW schools to attract more adult crowds. Because, as adults, we feel stupid wearing coloured belts, like kids.
The belt tests in Israel don’t only test for endurance and fighting spirit but mostly also for techniques. They do not last 3 hours though. What you get is probably a separate instructor assigned just for the people being tested. During a regular class he takes them aside and while the rest train normally, he tests them on techniques and knowledge first. Then, when the general class is about to finish, the people being tested are expected to spar against higher ranking KM students and instructors to show off their resolve. This is at least my own exprience in Israeli schools. I have tested through green belt.
Re: Philosophy on Sparring
IMO sparring is essential to learning KM or any type of SD if only because it gives you confidence in what you have learned and teaches you a good lesson in something that is as close as you can get to a real fight situation.
In KM you can’t allow yourself to practice real street fighting b/c real street fighting will injure you or your partner and just the relapse back into health will take too long for any actual learning to take place.
Therefore, there is protection and some rules (i.e. You don’t poke your opponent’s eyes out). Doing the minimum to protext yourself limits the realism of sparring but it still holds that it is important for training in SD even if the only thing it offers is some confidence it gives you that you were able to struggle with another person and actually performed.
At the end of the day though, it is not the most important part of KM. People who say they train in KM but mostly just spar or actually fight, are not training in KM, they are training in a fight class.
Re: Bear hugs
I’m not an instructor, but I’ll try if you don’t mind.
– The primary danger of such an attack is to be picked up in the air and tossed on the ground, or just picked up and carried away (kidnap).
– The secondary danger is the fact you’re being held down in one spot, exposing you to more attackers or, in the latter case of your arms being held down, immobilizing you and exposing you even more to other attackers.To address the primary danger of being picke up, for both attacks, you want to bend at your knees and slightly at your waist to lower your center of gravity and hence become a little more “heavy” so that the attacker has more trouble picking you up and tossing you. Try this with a friend, have him try to pick you up with a bear hug from the back/front while you just stand regularly and then have him try to pick you up while you’re low like I described. This concept is called “Contra” (close to the word “counter”). It’s important to note that when you perform this move, you don’t do it gradually, but you “snap” from standing up straight to this crouched position, think about punching your opponent with your butt – this is important as it created a little more distance between you and your opponent, you’ll see how this is important in the second part of the defesne.
Now, in order to address the second danger and because eventually, the attacker will be able to pick you up, you must get out of the hug. The Contra only gives you an extra moment but it cannot be the only defense as you’re still held down. So what do you do? As in any other KM technique, you move fast from the defensive to the offensive. But here we need to split the attack into its to cases:
1. Arms held in the hug – from the low Contra position you rotate slightly left and right repeatedly with your upper body allowing you hands to hit your attacker’s groin over and over (slapping his groin with your palms). Once you get a small reaction from him, you can either use your hands to go to his hands and break the hold using leverage on the fingers, or – if you have enough room by now, turn to face him and turn the attack to basicaly, a front bear hug. (By now you should be able to go to his face and eyes).
2. With you hands free – from the low Contra position use back turning elbows to strike at his head… go right and then left and then right really fast and hard. You can also break the rythm and hit twice with the left and once with the right but the point is to hit the side of his head. Then you can use a back kick with your ankle into his groin and then go for his hands and break the hold (if it still persists) in a similar fashion to what I’ve alredy described above.
Hope this helps.
Re: Troubling Falling?
When you practice the fall break, try actively thinking about how both of your arms need to smack the floor to your sides. Now, they need to be almost completely straightened to a degree that would enable you to touch the floor with the entire arm + forearm + hand all at the same time. At the same time, your upper back (in the shoulder blade area) needs to touch the floor. So it’s like one whole unit all touching the floor at the same time with a little extra “smack” from your arms. Try starting on your back and just practicing the position with which you end the fall break, with all three elements of your body touching the floor (i.e. both arms and upper back).
* Don’t forget to keep your chin down facing your chest and your knees bent…
** Keep concentrating on the fact that both your arms need to touch the floor entirely with every part of them almost from the shoulders and all the way down to the hands.Once you master this static position start playing with it, gently rolling you weight towards your legs and towards your upper back… as if doing the last movement of the fall break just before you end up with the prior position. I think this game will give you a better sense of how to break your fall…
